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Hi folks,

for christmas I'm planning to overclock my XP 2800+ to some higher speeds. Besides installing a set of additional case coolers (basically the whole machine is a bit hot on load [not in dangerous zone though] and I don't have sufficient case cooling so I'll put in 2 Papst ones) I need a new cooler for my CPU since I'm currently using the standard AMD one.
I'm currently running it as a 3000+ with no problems (200x10.5=2100Mhz), but I'd like to go higher than that, something like 2300Mhz or 2400Mhz, that area.

So do you guys have any suggestions for a CPU cooling unit? Price doesn't matter much but size and quality do! It shouldn't be one of those extremely huge things like the BigTyphoon or some others I saw. It should still fit in my case closed but of course it can be way bigger than the standard cooler as long as it isn't THAT huge.
It doesn't have to be all silent but it shouldn't be a screamer either, it doesn't matter much since I'm using headphones most of the time. If it can cool my 2800 at 2400Mhz down to something like 50-55° that would suffice. Since I don't want to have the outmaxed best possible performance and just want to overclock a BIT I guess I'm not even searching for one of those 40$ things since they are all friggin huge. Please a smaller one!

Or are most to all good coolers that huge? I think the Volcano 12 would be too big as would be the Zalman 7700 or the BigTyphoon. Do I really need one of those to cool an overclocked CPU or are there smaller ones for people who don't want to reach the outer limits of the possible performance? I'd like to able to install it without having to take everything out of the case.

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Welcome to the forums.

This is a nice heatsink. It's large enough to be effective but is much smaller than the monsters (Big Typhoon, XP-120, etc.) If you add a fan similar to this, you'll get good performance. As a bonus, that fan is manually adjustable via a convient knob, so you can turn it up or down as your cooling needs and tolerance for noise (it's not particularly loud on full blast) change. If you don't want to mess with a separate heatsink and fan, this is a decent combo unit that is also adjustable.

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You lucky bastard, I wish I could change the multiplier on my 2800+ Barton
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Hey Taeric,

thanks for your welcome! I'll look into those products you mentioned, but I'm still not sure wether I should buy a fan and a heatsink seperately or as a combo.

Also, I just took a loko into my case and my cooling is pretty ****ty. Basically there's only 1 case fan sucking out hot air and one cooling the FDD. Well, my system is running stable but I'll buy a 120mm fan to suck in air from the front.
Could anyone tell me how I'm going to build that thing into my case? My case has nothing to put a fan into on the front, so I guess I'll have to manually drill some holes or fix it otherwise. Is there any problem with using strong tape?

I want to build in another 80mm one, should it be sucking in air from the side or pushing it out together with my actual one at the back? I thought of one fan sucking out hot air from the graphics card on the side since the graphics card fan pushes the air away from the fan that is supposed to suck it out of the whole case at the back.

For the Volcano 12, I saw it before and thought it was pretty nice but much too big?!
http://www.overclockercafe.com/Revie...no12/1002.html
But dimensions say
HS: 82 x 65.6 x 49 mm
Fan: 80 x 80 x 32 mm
So it would be 81mm sticking out of the mainboard? That's pretty much or no? My boxed cooler that came with the CPU is like... 40mm tops.

If anybody has anymore suggestions on a good cooler for my CPU please name them too.

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Hey Taeric,

thanks for your welcome! I'll look into those products you mentioned, but I'm still not sure wether I should buy a fan and a heatsink seperately or as a combo.

Also, I just took a loko into my case and my cooling is pretty ****ty. Basically there's only 1 case fan sucking out hot air and one cooling the FDD. Well, my system is running stable but I'll buy a 120mm fan to suck in air from the front.
Could anyone tell me how I'm going to build that thing into my case? My case has nothing to put a fan into on the front, so I guess I'll have to manually drill some holes or fix it otherwise. Is there any problem with using strong tape?

I want to build in another 80mm one, should it be sucking in air from the side or pushing it out together with my actual one at the back? I thought of one fan sucking out hot air from the graphics card on the side since the graphics card fan pushes the air away from the fan that is supposed to suck it out of the whole case at the back.

For the Volcano 12, I saw it before and thought it was pretty nice but much too big?!
http://www.overclockercafe.com/Revie...no12/1002.html
But dimensions say
HS: 82 x 65.6 x 49 mm
Fan: 80 x 80 x 32 mm
So it would be 81mm sticking out of the mainboard? That's pretty much or no? My boxed cooler that came with the CPU is like... 40mm tops.

If anybody has anymore suggestions on a good cooler for my CPU please name them too.

Thanks!

well the case cooling should help alot,especially if its poor to start with. you should be able to mount that 120 pretty much where ever you want as long as it fits. as fora how to mount it, screws would work the best, but i guess its not to pretty if its on the front of your case. i dont know about tape... it might workbut it depends on alot, and you wouldn't want that to come off and fly around in your case. although i have a 80mm ducttaped in my case right now (short term) and the 80 is much smaller/lighter and doesn't push as much... but you can always give it a shot.

as for cooling the reason that they are all so much bigger is that they use a much larger surface area to dissapate the excess heat. for heatsinks bigger(almost always) = better. as long as you have enough room vertically then you should be fine. but also check horisontal distance too. some people have problems with HSF hitting their PSU. the volcano is a good HSF, just a little loud. i use this one with a better fan on it. to get the same or better cooling as a volcano for about the same price, and lower noise and height. with that combo i dropped my idle temp 17.5c and load 24c.... well good luck that 2800+ should best my 2600+ with the locked multi real easy, have fun

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hey,

I experimented a bit and found out that my case is realy extremely small. An SI-97A won't fit into it (my power supply is huge), and a Volcano 12 would be too loud and also too big. logan, unfortunately your Masscool product isn't available in Europe.

So, what I thought to buy now is a Thermaltake Silent Boost. All reviews say that it's pretty good and silent and the temps are only about 2-3° higher than with an SI-97A but it is much smaller (82x80) and will definately fit into my case (only 2cm more than the boxed cooler on each side). So is that a good idea? It is complete with heatsink and fan. It's not available in US though so there's probably about noone here who has heard about it . also it's less than 20 bucks.
Another possibility is the Arctic Cooling Copper Silent Lite (Silent 3).

-> Should I use the Arctic Copper Silent Lite or the Silent Boost? Which one is more powerful? (since they are both silent). I couldn't find any comparison between them on the net... But it seems both make about 5-7°c difference compared to the boxed cooler. The Silent Lite is only 8 bucks though, the Silent Boost is 19.

http://www.arctic-cooling.com/cpu2.p...2&data=1&disc=
http://www.thermaltake.com/coolers/v.../rs/a1889b.htm

edit: I went through all reviews on the manufacterer homepages and found a comparison:
http://www.ocia.net/reviews/copperlite/page3.shtml
It says the Silent Boost is better idling and the Silent Lite is better under load. Does it even matter which one I choose? Both cool the CPU below 60° when oc/ed so there's not really anything dangerous with either of them. They're basically the same except the Silent Lite is lighter and The Silent Boost is a bit smaller.
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technically the only temp that really matters is the load temp, because the idle should be alot lower anyway.so id go for the one thats better at load, but its also more expensive. also you could upgrade the fan if silence isn't as important to you as cooling is. be sure to get some artic silver for your new HSF as that will help with your temps as well.

your in europe? your profile says your in the USA, you might think of changing that so then others dont do what i did and tell about stuff you can't buy.
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Try looking for a thermalright SP97. I know that its not sold anymore but mayb u could find one at ebay or a friend.... It was the best skt A cooler ever.
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