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Old 10-07-09   #51 (permalink)
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If you want to talk about extra money for minimum gains, compare the MUGEN 2 to the H50 and try again. Otherwise, see Maestrotogo's post.
this thread is about the megshadow vs h50. im saying saving $50 might be the smarter thing to do in this case they peform quite similarly. bang for buck the h50 is runaway winner. yes if money is no concern and you want the absolute best air cooler than by all means get the mega shadow. it not my money

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Do you enjoy looking foolish? Because it IS water cooling. ALL water loops are closed until you uncap the reservoir/fill port/whatever, and ALL water loops require maintenance of some sort. You don't need to own it to know that, and if you think otherwise, then you'll only have yourself to blame later down the road.
there is no maintenance required at all for the h50. its a 100% closed loop. you cannot open it.


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You didn't get it. Some people have very tight budgets. $110 gets you the absolute BEST CPU air cooling setup possible; unlike water cooling, if you keep spending beyond this point, you'll see even smaller gains if any at all. For water, that extra $40 over the air setup gets you a good single-120mm water loop that will do noticeably better than the H50, and especially better than the best air cooling. Keep spending more at that point, and you get better blocks, better tubing, bigger and higher quality rads, etc., so it performs as well as you need it to for any setup you might have.
See I don't understand where budget comes in if you are willing to spend $110 for an air cooler. its illogical. if you want budget get the xigamatek or similar. you can build a very nice water cooling kit for $150. One that will perform above any air cooler. and that $150 will get you a 3x120 rad.

You obviously love your mega shadow and feel the need to defend your $110 air cooler but you won't look at the situation objectively. Save $50 and get the h50 and you will come within a few degrees of mega shadow. Spend another $40 over it and build yourself a nice water cooling setup with will trounce both the h50 and mega shadow.

If you can afford an i7 rig then you can spend another $40 to get a custom water cooling setup.

Its also quite apparent this thread is little more then a mega shadow owners circle jerk.

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$50 for a gain of 1-3C? This is OCN...ppl willingly pay that here...it is about pushing the limits here right? So you calling that foolish at a forum that encourages such a wanton waste of money is foolish in itself.
if thats the logic then why not spend an extra $40 over the megashow and build a custom water cooling loop for a gain of 5-10c?

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sexybastard, i haven't used the H50 before, but from all my readings on the reviews and what not, it performs basically the same as the Coolit Domino ALC which i have used on my i7.
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and performance-wise, it wasn't that great. It couldn't match the temps on my TRUE 120 even when i cranked the fan up to the highest RPM setting of 3000RPM which made the thing louder than my TRUE in push/pull.

And it costs $75 bucks.
The H50 also costs $75 dollars

My Megahalem cost me 55 bucks new, each Sflex cost me 6 bucks new, and an extra set of fan brackets cost me 4 bucks. my Mega came out cheaper than both the all in 1 water loops offered on the market.
The megashadow is expensive i give you that, but a normal Megahalem isn't
Nor is the TRUE/TRUE Black that comes out the same or cheaper than the H50/ALC.

Im interested in your temps on your i7 with your H50, and what fan speed you keep it on. I was idling around 50 with my Coolit Domino at 3.6 with a C0 i7 and 1.12VCore, Prime95 load was going to 72.
I idle with my Mega at 42, prime95 load was 65.
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Im interested in your temps on your i7 with your H50, and what fan speed you keep it on. I was idling around 50 with my Coolit Domino at 3.6 with a C0 i7 and 1.12VCore, Prime95 load was going to 72.
I idle with my Mega at 42, prime95 load was 65.
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@3800mhz with 1.35v w/ a 28c I got a load temp of 70c with prime95 small fft's. Idle temps: 37-39c.

I use a push n pull setup w/ two high speed yate loons (i run them at ~60%).

I have gotten the temps down to 65-68c with a lower ambient. These temps are on par with my brothers megahalem with same settings. He eeked out a narrow ~2c victory.

And like I said before, the H50 is going for $60 right now at zip zoom fly. if i had to pay msrp ($80) I would say get the megashow or megahalem. But for $60 its worth consideration.

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so wait, you put a push/pull on top of the H50?
How loud is that btw? just wondering

And wouldn't those yates factor into the price of the H50?

Personally after trying my ALC, i'd go either a custom W/C loop or just stick with Air.
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so wait, you put a push/pull on top of the H50?
How loud is that btw? just wondering

And wouldn't those yates factor into the price of the H50?

Personally after trying my ALC, i'd go either a custom W/C loop or just stick with Air.
the h50 connects to a case fan... which happened to be a yate loon. i had another left over from my ocz vendetta 2 (which was replaced by the h50). you can see how it looks in my case if you click the my rig link in my sig.

i didn't spend any extra money on them. basically you dont have to buy a fan to make the h50 useful.

at full speed the fans are loud. at 60% they are slighty audible. at lowest speed they are silent.

yeah id like to go for a full tilt water cooling setup but my case is pretty small. I would want at least a 3x 120 rad and with the a05b its not really possible.

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there is no maintenance required at all for the h50. its a 100% closed loop. you cannot open it.
Giving up, you don't get it at all since you seem to be bought off by marketing regarding maintenance. If it honestly can't be opened for maintenance, then that's a horrid error in design on Corsair's part.

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See I don't understand where budget comes in if you are willing to spend $110 for an air cooler. its illogical.
The maintenance in a water loop tends to kill off the hype in getting one, thus people go air cooling. It's a simple solution, easy to maintain, and does what is needed.

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if you want budget get the xigamatek or similar. you can build a very nice water cooling kit for $150. One that will perform above any air cooler.
I suppose you actually have a point here, but don't count on that "very nice water cooling kit" to be able to handle more than a CPU or GPU.

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and that $150 will get you a 3x120 rad.
Keep dreaming. No loop of decent quality for that much comes with a radiator of that size.

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You obviously love your mega shadow and feel the need to defend your $110 air cooler but you won't look at the situation objectively.
Oh giggle. You don't seem to realize that I don't have the Mega Shadow, and that I am approaching this objectively. I never even mentioned performance, because, guess what? I can't make my own comparison within my own system. See the above posts for that matter, it seems to have been covered well so far.

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Save $50 and get the h50 and you will come within a few degrees of mega shadow.
I've no patience to argue who is the bigger hypocrite (regarding objectivity), but you didn't get that I was laying out what was the BEST setup. Saving money and getting the Megahalems with a Yate Loon from Petras is more cost-effective and easier to maintain than the H50, and will perform almost as well as the $110 air setup.

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If you can afford an i7 rig then you can spend another $40 to get a custom water cooling setup.
Interesting point, but there is a flaw; not everyone wants to do everything at once. Prioritizing your budget(s) works much better in the long run than tossing everything in the book at a new system.

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Its also quite apparent this thread is little more then a mega shadow owners circle jerk.
There aren't even that many people on OCN with the Mega Shadow right now. Think what you want, but it's not changing a thing.

Just general advice to nobody in particular, play with the options available, work out what you can accomplish with what you have, balance cost to performance, and you can't lose. The H50 is a nice introduction to water cooling, and I respect it, but when there are better-performing air cooling options available for the same price or less, what's the point? Like I said, if you're going to go liquid, custom setup or bust. That might mean waiting longer and saving more money, but if it would be what you really wanted, and if you took the time to plan and execute things the right way, then you'll be happy.

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I'll add some objective data to this. Here's a copy-paste from my thread on the Megahalems vs. the H50:

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For the Mega, I used a generic 120x25mm fan that Swiftech included in one of their H2O kits. I don't know much about the specs other than it spins at 1600RPM at 12v. The fan was placed on the opposite side as usual, taking air from the back of the case and blowing it inward so that its airflow characteristics would be similar to the H50.

For the H50 I used the fan that came with it.

Testbed was my sig rig running 3.78GHz @ 1.27v (HT on). This was mounted in a Corsair Obsidian with the rear panel fan reversed (as per Corsair instructions) and three 1200RPM Scythe SlipStreams mounted in exhaust configuration on the roof.

Using Prime95 small FFT to load the heat sink for 20 min, I got the following numbers:

H50:

68, 68, 68, 65

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66, 65, 66, 62

So it doesn't beat it at least with my configuration but comes respectably close.
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