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Small 100W server build log [part2]
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A few months ago I was writing a thread on a small server that was in construction. Here's the post as that time:
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![]() I have tried a compromise to cool both the HDDs and the upper electronics part. This is a done deal, the mini-server works. Observations on the version 1.0 of the case:
The version 2.0 of the case: From this version I planned a few improvements:
The idea is to replace the design of the V1.0 with the V2.0: V1.0: ![]() With V2.0: ![]() It's a so much simpler design that it will probably allow me to work in only one fan at significantly lower temperatures, or at least in two fans at lower temps ![]() The 110W power consumption limitation and components chosen for V2.0 Tech solution: The tech solution chosen is to power the server with a laptop plug + a 12VDC-to-ATX adapter. Here's what shinji2k linked me on another thread (I made lots of them): http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-120-power-kit From yet another thread I've gathered some power consumption figures that I've listed below. They are rough estimation for generic components, not an exact figure. The exact figure is pointless IMHO even if it were possible to be measured, because it depends on the specific component used. Power consumption of all components except the CPU - midrange ATX mobo 38W - µATX mobo 25W (figure from DuckieHo's 780G) - 3.5" HDD 7200rpm 15W peak - 11W load (credit DuckieHo) - OLD 3.5" HDD 7200rpm 30W peak - 12W load (source) - 3.5" HDD 5400rpm 12W (www.silentpcreview.com) - DVD+-RW 27W - 1x stick DDR2 3.5 to 4.5W - usb 2.5W (peak power - credit DuckieHo) - firewire 7w - fan 120mm 4W - fan 80mm 1w The CPU: The CPU wattage depends on what you want to use. I have chosen two examples: - Athlon X2 4400 AM2 65nm @800MHz @0.85V 9W - Phenom 9550 @1000MHz @1.0V 30W I have chosen to underclock both CPUs (using the OC CPU button from the PSU calculator lite) because there is little need of high-speed CPUs on low power media center/server PCs. My server will kinda be a jack of all trades, it will have to play the role of a media center PC for esample. That's why I plan on sticking to AMD: 780G, nV8300 or 790GX aka hardware accelerated HD content. Intel doesn't have it, thus it can't possibly work with the CPUs underclocked. A possibility to use Intel hardware would be an ATOM/underclocked Celeron+HD3450 for the HD playback, but the usage of a discrete VID card implies a taller case. It would make sense only in the advent of using something like the ATI All-in-wonder HD3650 since it also has a TV Tuner and superbe quality. I keep these options for a V3.0 of the server ![]() What do you say? Looking forward to suggestions and to rep+ the helpers as usual.D.
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Damn man, that sounds sick
I would get that All in Wonder and make it a media center along with a media/general file server, and putting in a laptop optical (if it's even possible) or a external DVD drive wouldn't hurt though. Would make it a bit more flexible for the media idea along with being a server. I would also not go with that under powered Celeron for HD playback idea, wouldn't fare out too well imo but that's just me. Sempron 2800+ AiW 3650 Optical (external) 1TB That would be awesome
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You posted there a couple of great ideas, first the AiW card. Frankly I had completely forgot of this. Now the problem is kinda like this: WHERE?
It looks great, just that it's full-PCIe and the height of the card would be quite important. Anyhow, for the version 2.0 of the server I haven't started the build yet, but I have to keep myself in a 120W power envelope and this would probably eat half right out of the box. As a motherboard, I have found what is (yet to be launched) the ONLY mini-ITX mobo with a PCIe slot: ![]() details here The CPU: Well, I've managed to undervolt the Sempron 2800+ from 1.30V to 0.95 while keeping the clock at 1.6GHz (can't alter the multi, doesn't have C'nQ). This lowered the temps from 60-61° to 49-50°, massive 11°C bonus. Acording to the power calculator I've dropped it's TDP from 62W to 31W. The HDD: I guess it will all depend on the place I've got. I'm hoping to have enough power in the 120W for the AiW (which became sort of priority) AND for a 3.5" HDD, but I doubt. A 320GB 2.5" HDD, or two of them in RAID-0 should fit in, but we'll see. I have a 6.4GB 2.5" HDD and I'll go with that for the testing for now. Cheers!
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Hmm, try the 'egg, Tiger or another good place like Amazon or something, they may have
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Update on the cooling part on the V1.0 of the server
Sempron undervolting: I've managed to drop the Vcore to 0.95V 2 weaks ago from 1.35V which obviously dropped the temps a lot, so I could run in one exhaust fan. Cooling failure: this morning however the server shut-down due to overheating (65+°C), so I'm forced to mount back the second fan. Now the temps are much more reasonable 37-40°C; if I knew it makes such a difference... Future projects - getting a Arctic freezer 64 - buy industrial heat-pipes and design my own cooling system with the plate+rad from the AC64 and my heatpipes.
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Mini-ITX Acrylic Pyramid My guides: How to: Silence any HDD with 1$ Driver modd: SB Live! and Audigy Value/SE/LE/24bit in X-fi Xtreme Audio Driver modd: enable Crystalizer and X-Fi console on Audigy EMU cards
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How is it going?
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...since you're asking
__________________![]() The project got a major overhaul. There were a couple of components that were dumped, like the hard-drive. The Seagate 7200.10 (gen1) is one loud HDD, I realised this after selling all my 3 7200.10 250GB and got only one WD GP 1TB. The WD turns @5400rpm, but for all intents and purposes it's just as fast, only 15°C cooled and inaudible compared to the old ones. Now the cooling system, it needs some improvement. Here's how the interior looks like: ![]() Now the problem is the airflow, here's how I figured it should be: 20% below and 80% in the upper compartment. I thought the various elements that are "in the way" in the upper part won't play a decisive role in the repartition of the flow in the case. ![]() But does it? After several tests when I've tried to find the culprit for the overheating of the CPU (and the PSU rads as I've soon discovered) I think this may be it: ![]() ![]() Not only all the rads are impending the flow, but also the ATX plug is orthogonal to the airflow direction and flat across the surface of the 120mm fan. On top of that a heatbag is formed in the top region of the case... this sucks ![]() So the solution is quite radical (and involves muuuuch more investments). I could have gone to watercooling, as with a slim rad and some decent components I can move all the heat on the right region of the case near the fan that would take care, but there is something more elegant: ![]() ...and more expensive, not to mention the flipped mobo and the 45° angled HDD. To remove the HDD altogether would mean a nice SSD, but with the prices these days... I figure I'm gonna test the reliability of the whole structure with a modified Compact Flash connected on IDE, or simply with an USB thumb-drive as storage. The problem here is that the case must be rebuild, as in the previous version I haven't taken into account the necessity to do such modifications, and this may take a while. For now I'm pretty tight with work, but I'll get down to is as soon as possible. Cheers!
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Updated with new pics. The shape of my gadget is pyramidal, hence all the issues with the heating (I really had no reference). What do you say about the future project with the flipped mobo?
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Mini-ITX Acrylic Pyramid My guides: How to: Silence any HDD with 1$ Driver modd: SB Live! and Audigy Value/SE/LE/24bit in X-fi Xtreme Audio Driver modd: enable Crystalizer and X-Fi console on Audigy EMU cards
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Looks pretty nice....
I am pretty much doing the same thing with a small mATX case...the smallest one I could find and a Biostar 780G board with a 4000-X2 2.1ghz CPU....I can put the multi at 10 and drop the vcore to 1.1v easy and temps hover at room temp even under load of file transfer....a SFF PSU easily handles the power and it's very quiet...makes a great server... Nice work
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Here's a nice addition to the power consumption figures, an AnandTech.com article that analyses which consumes what in a typical rig.
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