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Basics

With AMD Phenom, there are a total of five different types of clocks:

* Reference clock
* Processor clock
* Northbridge clock (short NB-clock)
* Hyper Transport link (in short: HT link)
* Memory clock

The reference clock lies with the Phenom exactly like the K8 in the normal state at 200 MHz and using the multiplier is due to the fact the real processor clock. The Northbridge clock and the HT-Link are also using multipliers calculated from the reference clock. The memory clock is calculated as opposed to K8 means of a relationship, also from the reference clock.

The Northbridge clock has an impact on the performance of the system, as for example, the L3 cache with this clock operates. Higher NB-clock means higher L3-stroke. However, the NB-stroke only conditional influence on the performance, as seen in the LOSTCIRCUITS below.

Practical example

Let us take the example of our practice Phenom 9700 ES. This comes with a clock rate of 2.4 GHz and a multiplier of 12. The speeds are as follows:

1st 200 MHz reference clock
2nd Processor clock = 200 * 12 = 2,400 MHz
3rd Northbridge stroke = 200 * 10 = 2,000 MHz
4th HT link to 2,600 MHz
5th DDR2 memory clock-400 to DDR2-1066

The Northbridge stroke are calculated from 200 MHz reference clock with multi 10th The HT-Link is also available via multi between 1 and 13 * 200 calculated.

The memory clock is based on the reference clock with these conditions calculated:

DDR2-400: 1:1 (200 MHz reference clock, 200 MHz real memory clock)
DDR2-533: 3:4 (200 MHz reference clock, 266 MHz real memory clock)
DDR2-667: 3:5 (200 MHz reference clock, 333 MHz real memory clock)
DDR2-800: 1:2 (200 MHz reference clock, 400 MHz real memory clock)
DDR2-1066: 3:8 (200 MHz reference clock, 533 MHz real memory clock)

As you can see, is the direct influence of rational speeds not possible. It merely changed the fundamentals of the corresponding pulse rates by either the reference clock or the equivalent multiplier, or the ratio changed.

Viewed with CPU-Z, the whole thing looks like this:



Memory clock at K10


While at AM2 because of the complicated calculations not every memory for each processor clock cycle was possible and therefore part of the memory far below the specification had to be operated (especially users of processors with odd or half multipliers which can sing a song Chen), this image has radically changed. The fact that the memory clock derived from the reference clock is at every processor clock, the full memory clock. The processor multiplier plays no role.

Current Phenom platform


Currently there are for the AMD Phenom as "house" only platform motherboards with AMD's chipsets the 700 series. Here are all features supported, which is why this guide more on this platform.

It runs also on the Phenom-AM2 motherboards, but here again apply other special features. They later something more.

OC example


Let's say we use an AMD Phenom 9600, in conjunction with DDR2-800 and change the reference clock from 200 to 220 MHz. For the HT-Link Multi 5, we are given. This shows the following speeds:

1st Processor clock = 220 * 11.5 = 2,530 MHz
2nd NB-stroke = 220 * 9 = 1,980 MHz
3rd Memory clock = 220 / 1 * 2 = 440 MHz and DDR2-880
4th HT link = 220 * 5 = 1,100 MHz

Current problems


On the Internet we can read in part that high-HT links do not work. The reason is simple: As soon as the HT link higher than the NB-clock set, booting the PC is not more. Why this is so, is currently tapping (yet?). The fact is, however, that the practice of exactly this behavior.

Conversely, it means that when you Phenom current maximum multiplier 9 for the HT link should use (which is 1.8 GHz with HT-Link 1.8 GHz clock means NB).

The NB-multiplier


The NB-multiplier is currently freely available to all Phenom models in the standard operation at 9. A change in the multiplier is equipped with the AMD's own OC-tool AMD Overdrive not possible, so currently the only way is through the motherboard's BIOS is possible. Unfortunately, not all motherboards have the ability to adjust. Known so far:

* DFI LANPARTY UT 790FX-M2R
* SAPPHIRE PURE CrossFireX PC AM2RD790


Since these motherboards in cooperation between the two manufacturers were found in two BIOSen following options:

CPU-NB DID (adjusting option 1 or 2)
CPU-NB FID (adjustment from 00 upwards)

CPU-NB DID is a divider, the value of CPU-NB FID shared. But the adjustable value for FID is not for the real value, because in this Hexcode encrypted. In reality it looks like this:

* 00 = 4
* 01 = 5
* 02 = 6
* 03 = 7
* 04 = 8
* 05 = 9
* 06 = 10
* 07 = 11
* 08 = 12
* 09 = 13
* 0A = 14
* 0B = 15
* 0C = 16
* 0D = 17
* Etc.

With Phenom with a 1.8 GHz clock NB is the value CPU NB FID to 05 (which corresponds to the decimal value 9) and CPU-NB DID to 1 Real yields then the 9 / 1 = 9 And 9 * reference clock 200 is 1.8 GHz NB-stroke. Alternatively, the combination of real 0E DID 2 and 18 used, but what we have not tried. Calculated results in any of the same value. Does this further consideration, it is notable that even for the Northbridge half clock multipliers are possible (for example, with the combination FID 09, DID 2).

The information about the options in Hexcode and their decimal importance of a XtremeSystems thread in the forum were taken by the user, and Tony, who works at OCZ.

The NB-clock is therefore quite important, because it has only a limited potential stroke. Users in XtremeSystems forums are rarely well above 2 GHz clock NB, in part is already at around 1,950 MHz conclusion, which is why a reduction in the multiplier at the OC is recommended. Because if someone is actually already at the maximum of 1,950 MHz stable NB-stroke reached, it means that the processor at 217 MHz reference clock would find its limit (217 * 9 = 1,953 MHz).

The HT-Link


The chipsets of K8 had a standard all-HT link from 1,000 MHz (reference clock 200 * 5). Especially in the early days it was critical if this bar is raised above 1 GHz, since it often came to instability. With increasing "life span" of the K8, but always uncritical, so that when the chipsets of AMD 690s series partial to reach 1,500 MHz. As this cycle but only a very small impact on system performance, it was advisable, however, the OC of Referenztaktes the multiplier so that product as a value in the vicinity of 1,000 MHz to Beech st

When AM2 + is the reference clock with up to 2,600 MHz significantly higher. Due to the current problems described that the HT link is not greater than the NB-stroke may be, there are no problems here initially as initially at the K8. Even if we beat a high of well over 1,000 MHz runs, you are not in the area in which it comes to instability, as previously used the NB-stroke limited.

You can also calmly stroke the possibilities of the HT links to exploit, if you are not on the clock at the North Bridge ki jo ustvarja. This lends itself to the same NB and HT multiplier to use. Because both values from the reference clock survive are both bars then always the same high.

Prerequisites for the successful OC


As with the K8, it is some basic settings in the motherboard BIOS. From personal experience I suggest:

-- Cool'n'Quiet disable
-- Disable virtualization
-- Tensions manually
-- Speichertakt-/-timings manually

These settings are not mandatory. However, there is a case of non-compliance with a risk that it inadvertently gets into problems because the system clock rates and tensions can autonomously forgive what you do not want as a user. Therefore, it makes sense to test the required clock rates until all the options manually set, and later, if necessary, and the virtualization Cool'n'Quiet back.

Theoretical Ideal Example


The Phenom 9700 ES, which AMD us for the first motherboard tests provided it, can be viewed on a Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DQ6 in standard voltage with up to 2.7 GHz operation. Because of the CPU multiplier is freely adjustable (by AMD Overdrive between 5 and 45), these clock rates from the Windows debugged out. It was, however, only increased the multiplier, all other clock rates remained on the standard values. But does that mean that there are still some performance would be wasted.

Suppose we could instead of the CPU with 200 * 13.5 with 270 * 10. If nothing else changes, this would result in stroke rates:

1st Processor clock = 270 * 10 = 2,700 MHz
2nd NB-stroke = 270 * 10 = 2,700 MHz
3rd HT link = 270 * 10 = 2,700 MHz
4th Memory clock = 270 / 1 * 2 = 540 = MHz DDR2-1080

It is assumed that the NB-clock for the system is much too high and therefore either unstable or receives only garnicht boots. Therefore, the multi-NB reduced. To below 2 GHz to stay, it offers multi-7, was constructed 1,890 MHz. To achieve this, you must

CPU-NB FID on 03 and
CPU-NB DID to 1

Set. This is according to the description upper constructed 7th

As mentioned above, the HT-link in this course also be reduced, because otherwise it is higher than the NB-stroke. It is also a reduction in the multiplier of 7 or less. If you use these settings, are as follows:

1st Processor clock = 270 * 10 = 2,700 MHz
2nd NB-stroke = 270 * 7 = 1,890 MHz
3rd HT link = 270 * 7 = 1,890 MHz
4th Memory clock = 270 / 1 * 2 = 540 = MHz DDR2-1080

Memory voltage


Currently in circulation in the Internet statement that it is in memory voltages of more than 2 volts to the CPU failure may occur. So far, on this point have not been proven in some but it should have happened. The possibility certainly exists, as the memory controller in the CPU, and thus dependencies and interactions exist.

Many memory, especially LowLatency-Ram, as well as high getakteter memory, have already been approved by manufacturers from a specification of more than 2.0 volts. Here, the user should therefore exercise caution because of a loss of the CPU is not to be excluded.

Who Xtremesystems.org at the forum reads, but also find the other extreme. There are screen shots with more than 2.0 volts VDimm, currently the head with a screenshot VDimm rich 2.9 volts, which for several hours was used. And without the impact on the processor.

Phenom on AMD AM2 motherboards


AMD has the Phenom designed so that it is not only in AM2 + motherboards running. Even older motherboards with the AM2 socket with this CPU can be used as both base the same number and arrangement of pins.

When operating an AMD Phenom in a AM2 motherboard, it should be noted that the highest HT link from the chipset depends, not on the K10. This means that the rule again as the K8, the HT-link possible in the range of 1,000 MHz to keep.

Prerequisite for the operation of a K10 in a pure-AM2 motherboard is the support of the processor by the BIOS. Unfortunately, it is still not widespread support for the K10, but this should in the near term. Who wants to know whether his AM2 board Phenom Ready, you should take a look in our collective GUM Forum throw. Here are the summaries of the current support to many motherboards to be found.

Useful Tools


To participate in the necessary information regarding the set values, offers these tools to:

AMD Overdrive: Currently in beta version 2.1.4 available (click!), It can read all the important data. It also offers many settings such as voltage and clock rates (except NB-stroke) to the Windows to overclock. AMD Overdrive chip set a record of the house 7 Series.

CPU-Z: The small, and now there are well-established tool currently in version 1.43 to download (click!). It can be used for quick readout speeds can be used. HT link and NB-stroke appears to be reliable.

Prime95: Of course, each cycle should also increase stability to be reviewed. This is Prime95 outstanding, which is currently in version 25.5 is (click!). The program starts in the election, "Just stress testing" a so-called self-employed worker thread per core.

K10Calc: The Forum, the user Xtremesystems.org lukija published a small tool, which is to the right NB settings helps. The tool can be downloaded here.

Note for upgraders

Users, based on the AMD Phenom change without Windows reinstall, before the change two things:

-- Verify that the AMD Dual Core Optimizer installed, and if so, uninstall
-- If the same motherboard used a Phenom Ready BIOS flash

If these two things are not respected, it can certainly happen that the PC does not start or is re-boots or Windows with bluescreens. Will the two points attends, the Phenom fun, however, nothing more.

Practical experiments OC


Now that the basic theory is discussed, we have finally come to a few practical OC settings. Was used for a SAPPHIRE PURE CrossFireX PC AM2RD790 in conjunction with our Phenom 9700 ES.



In preparation for the higher reference clock multipliers were the first for the CPU, HT link, as well as the NB-stroke (FID 04, DID 1) reduced.




After raising the Referenztaktes to 240 MHz, the whole thing like this. The processor's clock back to the original value, HT-Link and NB-stroke are also significantly higher again.



264 MHz reference clock SAPPHIRE formed on the main board being the maximum. Multi 9.5 mean for the 2.5 GHz CPU, HT-link NB-6x and 8x clock showed the values shown.

Maximum reference clock at the Phenom


Many will think that 264 MHz reference clock is not necessarily the killer. There must, however, be said that it is in fact already a top result. Is it that the results of the OC-Phenom precisely, it is clear that many users already at around 230 MHz cancel the sailing.

It seems as if the Phenom currently not in a position to reference clocks high to reach. This is not strictly necessary, since all performancerelevanten clock rates per multiplier, or computing relationship will be formed. But the best combination of all clock rates listed, is a reference clock elevated sense.

Phenom Black Edition

The black edition of the Phenom has as our engineering sample a free CPU multiplier. Thus, the transfer of CPU cycles without increasing the Referenztaktes and thus without modification, or HT-link NB-stroke. Of course, but the path through the reference clock available, but is no longer mandatory.

As mentioned already shown's always a combination of the change in all clock rates to eventually provide the perfect setup to be found. As each critical clock can be set individually, can be some tests with the respective limits relatively easy to find out at the end for maximum performance combined.

Remarks

This Guide collects explicitly not exhaustive. All information is to the best of our knowledge and belief and are collected by personal experience values in relation to the K10. Who additions and / or changes must communicate this may simply by PM, mail, or simply a post done.

I will try to guide the most up-to-date and to add new insights. Furthermore, we hope to start some in the OC projects with an AMD Phenom somewhat relieved to have.

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Sazar

Wow! Thanks, this is a lot of good info+rep

Cheetos316

Very nice! +rep

I just wish I had a Phenom to play with now......

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ccc10156

Using ASUS Mainboard Series M2N32-SLI Series, OC of the Phenom 9500 is quite possible if You use high speed Low Latency RAM.
Board 1:

ASUS M2N32SLi Premium DeLuxe Vista Edition
RAM Corsair TWIN2X6400C4Pro 2 x 1 Gb
Stock Phenom 9500+ water cooled.

Due to a bug in ASUS BIOS the HT Speed is FSB x 1. This may be why I don't get problems with HT speed

Memory is at 2.1 Volts.

This



setting is ROCK Stable, and is crunching 4 SETI Tasks 24/7 at 100% CPU utilization.

However if I raise the FSB by just one more MHz the ting starts to crash once in a while, so this seems to be the upper limit.

ChrisD

sonicmat

I wish my board supported phenom.

Do you think asus will ever release a bios update for it or will there be hardware limitations because its a low end board?

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Hillbilly37

what asus board do you have. i have an asus m2n 32 sli deluxe with bios revision 1503 thats suppose to support the phenom. i guess we will see.

9voltchicken

Great post. You wrote it in a language even people like me can understand. Thanks a bunch mang.


*takes notes*

ccc10156

I am using this board to run my second Phenom 9500+ machine.

Using OCZ2P800R22GK 2 x 1 Gb RAM. Keeping the SPD values and supplying 2.1 Volts to the RAM this board runs 2420 MHz Rock stable.



I am using this machine as a mediacenter and it is equipped with a Hauppauge TV Card and a Technisat DBS-Card. They do not like higher FSB than the 220 MHz. The ting runs at FSB 237 = 2600 MHz but my TV recordings seems to be trashed, not always, but occationally.

The 2420 MHz speed runs for weeks at a time all 4 cores at 100% CPU (4 SETI Tasks at a time, must be just as good a benchmark as Prime 95). I still have not seen this seting fail.

If You buy a Phenom for Your Board, Your processing power raises one and a half times, compared to an Athlon 64X2 6000+, even with the stock 2200 MHz.

Save Your dole and go for the 9500+ and not the 9600+ BE. Spend the extra cash on the Low Latency RAM instead. OCZ RAM of the kind used is said to go to 520 MHz at relaxed timings, so it will run without problems at 440 MHz.

The 9600+ BE is made from the same silicon and will not go higher without raising the CPU Voltage to dangerously high levels.

Most important: Your M2N32SLI DeLuxe will 99% sure NOT work with a 9600+.

I have tried it myself.

Phenom 9500, no problems, Phenom 9600, the CPU does not start at all.

It is a BIOS problem, ASUS seems to have forgotten to include the ID for the 9600.
The BIOS for the SLI Premium Vista Edition is different and will accept a Phenom 9600 as well as the 9500+.
Beware or You will end tearing Your hair out.


Good luck.

ChrisD

SZayat

Great info, thanks m8

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