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Old 09-22-08   #11 (permalink)
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TF2 is really only going to be helped by having a higher clocked dual core, it's optimised to use 1 core for primary processing, and a 2nd for particles and physic stuff... I had a Phenom 9500 @ 2.4Ghz and my FPS was worse than my now 5400+

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What are your settings in Crysis and TF2? If you really want to upgrade you have to go to at least a 9850/9950 or a 6400+ or an Intel E7200/E8400. A 9550 does not overclock well and isn't known for its gaming capability.
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TF2 is really only going to be helped by having a higher clocked dual core, it's optimised to use 1 core for primary processing, and a 2nd for particles and physic stuff... I had a Phenom 9500 @ 2.4Ghz and my FPS was worse than my now 5400+
my settings are highest for everything, with 4x AA on TF2 and no AA for crysis.

i don't get it.. shouldn't i be helped by the fact that the performance of a 9550 is better in any case than my 5400+, not necessarily multithreaded code? and how big of an FPS difference was there, Elxiliath?

i also want to clarify that i'm going to sell my old cpu, so i won't be losing all of my money buying a new cpu thats supposedly not much of an upgrade.
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my settings are highest for everything, with 4x AA on TF2 and no AA for crysis.

i don't get it.. shouldn't i be helped by the fact that the performance of a 9550 is better in any case than my 5400+, not necessarily multithreaded code? and how big of an FPS difference was there, Elxiliath?
I gained about 20-100FPS... 20-30 FPS in big open areas with lots of activity.. and when in closed areas with little traffic I gained about 100 FPS... With my phenom 9500 @ 2.4 and TLB off, I only got 25-35 FPS

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I gained about 20-100FPS... 20-30 FPS in big open areas with lots of activity.. and when in closed areas with little traffic I gained about 100 FPS... With my phenom 9500 @ 2.4 and TLB off, I only got 25-35 FPS
again i'm very confused as to how the 5400+ can be better than that phenom. the performance of the phenom 9550 should surpass the 5400+ and even the 6400+ regardless of how the code is threaded. am i just completely wrong here? am i missing something? the phenoms get at least 1000 more 3dmarks than my 5400+. even if its just a synthetic bench, it think its a clear indicator of its performance advantage, unless 3dmark06 is multithreaded or something.
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What resolution are you playing Crysis at?

In TF2 the CPU is the culprit, but I don't think a minimum of 40FPS is anything to complain about.

With Crysis your problem is this. One 4850 is not enough to Max it out using DX10 render, and maintain constant frame rates, your best bet would be to get another 4850 and Crossfire.

Only worthwhile CPU upgrade for you is the 9950 BE. That at 3.0ghz would boost performance.
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how would this be? an 8750 BE? would allow me to change multiplier (i think) and in the case of my mobo overvolt (because it will only overvolt BE for some reason).
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The Quads, the decent ones that is, are all 125w and up! So you will have to get a low end x4 or a x3!
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If you want a better gaming setup than id recommend switching to intel. quads get better scores on benchmarks but don't perform well in games due to the fact that 2 cores are usually not used in game.

Id look for a better overclocking amd duel core chip or switch to an intel duel core setup.
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again i'm very confused as to how the 5400+ can be better than that phenom. the performance of the phenom 9550 should surpass the 5400+ and even the 6400+ regardless of how the code is threaded. am i just completely wrong here? am i missing something? the phenoms get at least 1000 more 3dmarks than my 5400+. even if its just a synthetic bench, it think its a clear indicator of its performance advantage, unless 3dmark06 is multithreaded or something.
I have a phenom 9500,i got it when it was released,and i can tell you don´t buy a low end phenom over a high end athlon 64 x2.
I´ve tried my phenom 9500 @2.5 vs an athon 64 x2 6000+ @ 3.2 and guess who won?,the 6000+ of course,fps were higher,benchmarks were better,everything.And i´m not even telling you when it was taken to 3.6ghz,because yeah we made it with my cooler.

A low-end quad core is not better than a high end dual core,if you want to get better fps,get another HD4850 and stick with you dual core.
Unless you go high end quad core,like 9950 or an upcoming deneb.
To get better fps,a dual core @ 3.0 ghz or higher frequencies is more than enough,what matters in that case is the video card.
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well if my CPU is adequate, howcome i get a minimum of 10 fps in crysis and a max of 25 on highest settings? and in TF2 a minimum of 30, and in FEAR around 50 FPS, etc. according to what other people are getting i should be getting more, no?
this is another thread i started about my crappy 4850 performance. any input?
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