eurostyle360

so you're telling my my 3.0 GHz pentium 4 is going to perform better than a 2.2 phenom? you said ALL that matters is clock speed and nothing else, so i should invest in a nice pentium 4, then? or maybe a celeron? come on.. it can't only be clock speeds that matter. isn't it the work per clock cycle that counts? but maybe you're right.. maybe i should try to sell and got to intel. after this build, and comparing to how nice my last intel dual core build was, i don't trust AMD, and maybe even ATI.. i'll remember to keep it intel/nvidia next time..

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DjQurt

actually its about cahce and speed

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eurostyle360

right.. but speed isn't determined by MHz alone, is it?

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rpm666

Here's my opinion, take it with a grain of salt cause I only own...

AMD 64X2 series: 4200+ 4400+ 2400BE
Phenom Series 9500, 9850

Intel Q9450, E7200, Celeron 430

The AMD 9500 is faster overall vs my E7200. 9500@2.5 E7200@3.8

The 9550 can clock higher than 9500 by a decent margin. I've seen a few at 2.9 and more at 2.8. 9550 at 2.8 is going to be faster than the E7200.

But like I said, it's only longer term personal use of each processor in question, so what do I know? lol

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PcG_AmD

What really matters,is cache and speed,a pentium 4 @3.0 ghz will never be better than the phenom 9500 @2.2 ghz of course.He was talking about the difference between dual core and quad core.Dual core maxes out any game,Quad core is better but just a little,what matters the most are video cards not quad cores over dual cores.
You should get a 6400+ from the egg,runs @ 3.2 ghz,overclocks to 3.6ghz or even higher,2mb of cache(yours has 1mb),and it only cost 120 bucks.That will give you an improvement over your current cpu and it will definitely be better than the 9500.

One thing is clear,if you go quad core and want to superate a high end dual,go 9850,or 9950,if you don´t get one of those get a high end dual core and be happy with your budget.

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superk

Its not all about cache and speed, but also architecture and IPC. BUT

Lets put it this way. My e8400 stock at 3.0 assrapes my 5600+ OC to 3.3. Its not ALL about clock. BUT if you are going to compare apples with apples, which in this case you need to, then yeah its all about clock, and 3.0ghz is FINE for gaming. In order to achieve any sort of increase you need to upgrade motherboard AND CPU lets make that one clear.

Quad core at 3.0 will perform identical to dual core at 3.0 for gaming, depending on the quad. A phenom 9500 is a complete waste of time for you, contrary to what others say, that cpu WILL bottleneck you, your current one most likely will not.

Crysis is an nvidia game, plain and simple, thats why your having shoddy FPS.

eurostyle360

i might consider a 6400+ had i a motherboard that supports a cpu above 95w.. maybe i should email asus and confirm that it indeed only supports a 95w cpu because i have only seen that specification posted once on their site.. completely absent from the manual and any other reference material. they also don't have a running list of supported cpus..
on a different note.. why couldn't i just get a 9550 and overclock it to the speed of a 9850? only a small difference in clock speeds, both are agena, and both have same cache size.

okay i agree with you i wouldn't be having this predicament with a better motherboard BUT
comparing an athlon x2 with a phenom of any sort is not comparing apples with apples. a phenom is a completely different cpu line, and should consequently perform better per clock, according to various benchmarks.

all that being said.. i don't see why if everyone here believes that the only worthwhile phenom upgrade would be at least a 9850, i couldn't just overclock a 9550 to the speed of a 9850. that IS comparing apples to apples.

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PcG_AmD

Well,i didn´t see your mobo properly,sorry for that.

You could get this cpu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...819103272,it´s 65 nm,and it only uses 89watts.
Or this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103274.

I´ll tell you why the 9500 won´t be the same,i have one,i still have it eventhough i can´t use it at the moment,and i can assure you that it won´t reach 2.6ghz,i was only able to do it once,and it wasn´t stable.
Maximum stable frequency i could reach was 2533 mhz.Yeah that´s the same speed as the 9850 @ stock but the 9850 reaches 3.0 ghz.

Of course,i´m not saying it´s a bad cpu at all,but if you want something better for about the same price the cpu´s i just gave you are better and even cheaper man,lowest price for 9550 is $140 and both cpu´s i just told you only cost 93 bucks.That´s what i mean price-performance.

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eurostyle360

the only problem is that the cpu you suggested is the same as mine, but .2 GHz faster. i already overclocked up to that.

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pioneerisloud

The only thing that will really help you in GAMING...would be a B.E. DUAL CORE. The quads are nice and all...but they are the same thing, just with 2 extra cores. They are still K8 architecture. So a Phenom Quad @ 3.0GHz WILL BE THE SAME as you X2 @ 3.0GHz. Period. The ONLY difference you will see is synthetic benchmarks and multi-threaded apps...which gaming is neither.

Either be happy with what you've got, upgrade to crossfire, or get a higher end dual core (such as a B.E.). The B.E. dual cores can generally hit 3.2GHz+ with ease, and would definitely help out SOME.

And the problem you are facing is that Crysis is an nVidia optimized game. My sig rig can play DX10 Very High settings at 1440x900...and I don't drop BELOW 25FPS in game. The 4850 does perform slightly worse in Crysis than my card does...hence your problems.

Personally....I'd either be happy with what you've got and overclock it further (if possible), or do a whole system rebuild. But even then, you STILL won't get good framerates in Crysis without upgrading your GPU to something better than a mid-range card.

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