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**txtmstrjoe** · 12-09-08

pio, did you happen to note what the BSoD code was?

I'm thinking it could be one of several things: Bad power/insufficient power; bad RAM/bad settings; failing motherboard; bad 8800GT; overheating; bad driver installation. Any and/or all of these can cause the lockups you describe.

I'm off to lunch. Hopefully someone can give you the right solution soon.

Good luck.

**thlnk3r** · 12-09-08

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Originally Posted by blitz6804

Thlnk3r: he just added the second power supply to power the graphics cards solely.

Blitz, for testing purposes I just wanted him to try a single PSU. Process of elimination is typically the best approach but thanks for pointing that out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pioneerisloud

@ everyone trying to help:

Oddly enough, what appears to have been the issue, is switching FROM the 6800XT BACK to my 8800GTS 512. The clocks were the same on both runs, and when I was running the 6800XT, it was fine. When I switched back over to the 8800, that's when the problems arised.

I don't understand WHY this happened, or how? The problem still exists mind you. But looking at my post, that's when the problems happened. Oh, and that was running off ONE PSU still at that time. On KNOWN good 100% stable OC settings.

Pio, are you sure that power supply is sufficient enough? If the lowered powered 6800XT works perfectly fine but the more power demanding 8800GTS casuses crashes/locks up doesn't that tell you that the problem may lie with the PSU?

Am I reading their website correctly: http://www.apevia.com/ProductsInfo.a...=ATX-AS500W-GN? Looks like total wattage across the 12volt rails is 280watts which would mean the total 12volt amperage is 23.33amps?

It also probably wouldn't hurt to run a full surface scan on the drive with the Seagate Seatools. Check the Event Viewer as well (Start -> Run, Type "eventvwr.msc").

Let us know

Good luck

pioneerisloud · 12-09-08

Quote:

Originally Posted by txtmstrjoe

pio, did you happen to note what the BSoD code was?

I'm thinking it could be one of several things: Bad power/insufficient power; bad RAM/bad settings; failing motherboard; bad 8800GT; overheating; bad driver installation. Any and/or all of these can cause the lockups you describe.

I'm off to lunch. Hopefully someone can give you the right solution soon.

Good luck.

That's just it. It's not giving me a BSOD. It just locks up. The original BSOD was because my hard drive did its random disappearing act.

To answer the above:

Power...could be a problem. But that's why I bought this GPU PSU. And again, my voltages got a LOT better in doing so according to Everest. I suppose the Apevia could still be dying though.
Overheating...How? CPU loads at 52*C, GPU's load at 75/84 respectively. Granted, yes that's a little warm, but supposedly still within the safe range.
RAM settings...one possibility, but can't test currently.
Failing motherboard...god I hope not :/
Bad 8800GT...doubtful. It does this no matter what GPU is installed now.
Driver installation.... I actually dismissed this idea. When switching BACK to my 8800GTS (from the 6800), for some odd reason it installed the latest 180 drivers for me on its own, and these were causing problems for me in the past (same problems actually). I have been stable thus far on the 178.24's, so that COULD have been the issue I suppose??

pioneerisloud · 12-09-08

Quote:

Originally Posted by thlnk3r

Blitz, for testing purposes I just wanted him to try a single PSU. Process of elimination is typically the best approach but thanks for pointing that out.

Pio, are you sure that power supply is sufficient enough? If the lowered powered 6800XT works perfectly fine but the more power demanding 8800GTS casuses crashes/locks up doesn't that tell you that the problem may lie with the PSU?

Am I reading their website correctly: http://www.apevia.com/ProductsInfo.a...=ATX-AS500W-GN? Looks like total wattage across the 12volt rails is 280watts which would mean the total 12volt amperage is 23.33amps?

It also probably wouldn't hurt to run a full surface scan on the drive with the Seagate Seatools. Check the Event Viewer as well (Start -> Run, Type "eventvwr.msc").

Let us know

Good luck

Well, running the 6800XT, it still has the same problems NOW. And yes, the PSU amperage is correct, hence why I bought the GPU PSU. I didn't know this before hand. I thought that I had 34a on the 12v rail...which is PLENTY. Yes, I know NOW that its only 23a, which is when I IMMEDIATELY bought the GPU PSU...bought it out of fear. But I've been running that PSU and the GTS 512 since April with no issues thus far.

And I will run a full surface scan once the posts die down a bit. I'm still trying to get as many ideas as to what I can do, before I go and do it.

**thlnk3r** · 12-09-08

Quote:

Originally Posted by pioneerisloud

Well, running the 6800XT, it still has the same problems NOW. And yes, the PSU amperage is correct, hence why I bought the GPU PSU. I didn't know this before hand. I thought that I had 34a on the 12v rail...which is PLENTY. Yes, I know NOW that its only 23a, which is when I IMMEDIATELY bought the GPU PSU...bought it out of fear. But I've been running that PSU and the GTS 512 since April with no issues thus far.

And I will run a full surface scan once the posts die down a bit. I'm still trying to get as many ideas as to what I can do, before I go and do it.

Pio, have you also tried testing with different memory? I understand this is rudimentary troubleshooting but I'm just making sure you've tried all the options. I'm assuming you're also running at stock clocks for the time being?

I really think you should switch to a single PSU. There are far too many risks running two power supplies in one system.

Good luck

pioneerisloud · 12-09-08

Quote:

Originally Posted by thlnk3r

Pio, have you also tried testing with different memory? I understand this is rudimentary troubleshooting but I'm just making sure you've tried all the options. I'm assuming you're also running at stock clocks for the time being?

I really think you should switch to a single PSU. There are far too many risks running two power supplies in one system.

Good luck

I don't have any other memory to test with currently. However I may or may not have another set soon to troubleshoot with.

Currently, I'm sitting at 2.8GHz, 1.39v...DDR400 @ 2.5-3-3-6-1T (9/12), 2.75v. And its been going strong folding for 24+ hours now. It is EXACTLY as it says in my sig, but with the clocks above (I don't remember off hand the clocks listed in my sig). So as of right NOW, it feels stable. However I am running much more voltage than needed for CPU (2.8GHz only requires 1.225v), and I'm running much slower speed on my RAM with less voltage than before.

As far as PSU, I won't be able to afford a new PSU for a while. As soon as I can afford one, you can bet money on it, that's the first thing getting upgraded. I have my eyes on the Corsair 750w PSU on newegg for roughly $110. But alas, that's $110 I don't have. But that is the first thing on my upgrade list as of now.

**thlnk3r** · 12-09-08

Quote:

Originally Posted by pioneerisloud

Currently, I'm sitting at 2.8GHz, 1.39v...DDR400 @ 2.5-3-3-6-1T (9/12), 2.75v. And its been going strong folding for 24+ hours now. It is EXACTLY as it says in my sig, but with the clocks above (I don't remember off hand the clocks listed in my sig). So as of right NOW, it feels stable. However I am running much more voltage than needed for CPU (2.8GHz only requires 1.225v), and I'm running much slower speed on my RAM with less voltage than before.

Pio, so from what I understand the freezing issues randomly occur? Have you tried everything at stock settings to see if you still have problems?

Good choice on the Corsair 750TX. That should provide plenty of power to your entire system.

Good luck

BlackOmega · 12-09-08

Pio, first things first. Put your rig back to the last known good/stable configuration. That includes removing the 8800's, GPU PSU, and what ever you changed around with the ram. Run it, is it stable? If so proceed to step 2, change memory stick, is it stable? Does x1600xt have a power connector on it? If so, install GPU PSU test for stability. If stable add 8800, check for stability. And so on and so forth. Personally, this is what I would do to try to localize the issue.
And in my experience, Ive only ever had true lock up (no BSOD) issues when there was something wrong with my video cards. Wether it be OC'd too high or I forgot to kick the fan speed up upon start up and it got too hot.

Another thought that crossed my mind, when you used the GPU PSU, since there was less load on your original PSU, maybe it was sending higher voltages through the rest of your components like the RAM, etc. Just a thought, might be unfounded but you never know.

pioneerisloud · 12-09-08

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOmega

Pio, first things first. Put your rig back to the last known good/stable configuration. That includes removing the 8800's, GPU PSU, and what ever you changed around with the ram. Run it, is it stable? If so proceed to step 2, change memory stick, is it stable? Does x1600xt have a power connector on it? If so, install GPU PSU test for stability. If stable add 8800, check for stability. And so on and so forth. Personally, this is what I would do to try to localize the issue.
And in my experience, Ive only ever had true lock up (no BSOD) issues when there was something wrong with my video cards. Wether it be OC'd too high or I forgot to kick the fan speed up upon start up and it got too hot.

Another thought that crossed my mind, when you used the GPU PSU, since there was less load on your original PSU, maybe it was sending higher voltages through the rest of your components like the RAM, etc. Just a thought, might be unfounded but you never know.

Actually, this right here seems to be truthful.

I am now sitting at 3.0GHZ again (with 1.42v..just as a precautionary method). DDR333, 3-3-3-8-2T timings, 2.75v. So far, I've been in Windows for 15 minutes. No lock ups yet.

One thing I noticed...my southbridge was HOTTT. I mean it almost burned my finger when touching it (keep in mind, there is no sensor for this chip on my board). So I turned off ALL of my overvolt options in BIOS.

When I first tried again at 3.0GHz (clocks and voltages I stated above), it locked up within the first 2 minutes. After I rebooted and turned off all of my overvolt options, it FEELS fine thus far.

I will allow it to run for roughly an hour or so at current settings. If there is no lockup, I will proceed to getting my memory back to decent speeds and timings, and lowering CPU voltage. And of course, stressing.

Wish me luck...it seems this may have been the issue alll along. Without my 8800GTS pulling a load from the primary PSU, it put more voltage to my motherboard than I wanted (with overvolt on).

**thlnk3r** · 12-09-08

Pio, it also wouldn't hurt to run everything at stock for troubleshooting purposes. You could run everything at stock for a few hours and see what happens.

Is the "overvolt" option the same setting that causes issues on Joe's Asus board?

Good luck

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