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**thlnk3r** · 10-08-08

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Originally Posted by blitz6804

the 4850 uses less power. If I remember correctly, it only needs one 75-watt PCI-E connector.

Blitz, it may only use a single 6-pin power connector but surprisingly the 4850 actually consumes more power (wattage at full load) then a 8800GT. A 9800GTX is more on par with the 4850 power consumption numbers.

Good luck

N2Gaming · 10-08-08

It's going good. I spent the later part of my day modding my 939 rig. I fabricated a cheep mans ram cooler, take a look. I originall started out trying to do this for the heat shinks located right in front of the cpu fan. I need to cool down my panel temps they get above 50C under load. That is gonna be a little more difficult so this is what I did in the mean time. Tell me whacha tink. I'm so tired after that little bid of modding.

now why are the pictures not showing. I put them in my photo album here take a look http://www.overclock.net/album.php?u=72839

Bogeyone001 · 10-08-08

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Originally Posted by N2Gaming

It's going good. I spent the later part of my day modding my 939 rig. I fabricated a cheep mans ram cooler, take a look. I originall started out trying to do this for the heat shinks located right in front of the cpu fan. I need to cool down my panel temps they get above 50C under load. That is gonna be a little more difficult so this is what I did in the mean time. Tell me whacha tink. I'm so tired after that little bid of modding.

where is it to look at ..lol
and i dont know how tired you are cuz ive never modded anything pc before.. but thats why im here because ive always been crazy into that stuff but have no life with school..
aerospace engineering takes 199.999 percent of my time other than my computer gaming and video rendering projects

Edit:
i would like to get a watercooling system for xmas and my gf is going to get me half of whatever it is.
not concerned about money .. not that im rich.. i wish besides people here all the time prove you dont need mass amounts of money to do awesome stuff

but to start with just cpu cooling for now what would be som excellent stuff to look at

Edit: sweet ghetto stuff is always cool because you get to see peoples unique ideas and creations.. i have been just looking at crazy stuff all night..+ i cant sleep
Hmm i have 3 extra fans laying around cuz i just got my new antec case.. i shall devise a way to use them in my setup

Edit: also this is to anyone whats a good temp monitoring app because i tried hwmonitor and it showed the same temps for eveything all the time.. so obviously not working for me

wow that is pretty amzing what he is doing with a camera case

N2Gaming · 10-08-08

This is probably not what you had in mind but here is something to look at when your interested in looking at pictures of other peoples rigs and the types of modifications possible. It will get that little hamster wheel running in a hurry. Enjoy... Cheers with RootBeers. http://www.overclock.net/case-mod-wo...elligence.html

HothBase · 10-08-08

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Originally Posted by thlnk3r

The timings are 2-3-2-6 1T. I believe the KHX3200AK2 is Winbound CH-5 which I am also assuming the KHX3200A to be as well. The older KHX3200 came with BH-5.

Yeah, I did some Googling and found out that all sticks with an 'A' in their names are CH-5. These are supposed to be the newer models since they stopped making the BH-5 ones.
I suppose this means that the KHX3200A and the KHX3200AK2 have the same IC and are therefore identical?

Anyway, which one is the better? Old BH-5 or the new CH-5? Is the CH-5 a good IC?
Edit: Looks like the old BH-5 is some kind of super overclocker.

txtmstrjoe · 10-08-08

@ HothBase: BH-5s are a K8 overclocker's golden RAM, especially if you've got a DFI LANParty board which can feed these monsters the VDIMM that they crave.

The key with Winbond ICs like BH-5 is that they really require upwards of 3.1-3.2V to hold high frequencies WITH super-tight timings. I've even read stories of some BH-5 sticks not allowing a system to POST if the VDIMM is less than 3.0V... at stock...

CH-5s, though, are still quite good. But to fully make use of Winbonds of any variety to their maximum potential, your motherboard is the key.

GuardianOdin · 10-08-08

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Originally Posted by txtmstrjoe

@ HothBase: BH-5s are a K8 overclocker's golden RAM, especially if you've got a DFI LANParty board which can feed these monsters the VDIMM that they crave.

The key with Winbond ICs like BH-5 is that they really require upwards of 3.1-3.2V to hold high frequencies WITH super-tight timings. I've even read stories of some BH-5 sticks not allowing a system to POST if the VDIMM is less than 3.0V... at stock...

CH-5s, though, are still quite good. But to fully make use of Winbonds of any variety to their maximum potential, your motherboard is the key.

Yes, you must own the greatness that is DFI "insert dramatic music here"

blitz6804 · 10-08-08

Hey Joe, what is the difference between Winbound CH-5 and Infineon CH-5? (The former of which Bogey is purchasing, the latter of which Pez has purchased.)

txtmstrjoe · 10-08-08

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Originally Posted by blitz6804

Hey Joe, what is the difference between Winbound CH-5 and Infineon CH-5? (The former of which Bogey is purchasing, the latter of which Pez has purchased.)

Actually, pez has bought Infineon CE-5/CE-6 (and not CH-5).

Big differences, actually. Winbond's legendary BH-5s are extremely voltage hungry, and they have this great property of being able to have both super-tight timings (CAS Lat of 1.5 is possible on some DFI LANParty boards, just to give you an indication) and high frequencies (DDR500 and above for many).

Despite sounding like the "perfect" RAM for DDR K8s, running it to their maximum capabilities may be difficult if not impossible for some setups. First and foremost, not all motherboards (a select few, in fact) are able to deliver the kind of voltage that BH-5 needs for maximum performance. Go look at your BIOS options and see how high your VDIMM goes. I bet you 3.2V is the most that it will give, and BH-5 is just starting to warm up at that point.

Second, running such high voltage into your RAM means they require active cooling to keep them hale and hearty. Third, BH-5 DIMMs were, at most, 512MB, meaning that to run 2GB you would need four sticks (which, of course, adds stress to the IMC and may disable the ability to run 2T Command Rate).

I think the fact that BH-5 (and its other Winbond siblings, BH-6, CH-5, and CH-6) were "restricted" to 512MB size at most is what doomed them ultimately; around 2005 the first 1GB DIMMs with slightly less performance than the magical Winbonds (among them the Infineon ICs, some Samsung IC varieties, and Micron ICs) came on the market and consigned the Winbonds to oblivion. Tight timings and low latencies are great, but the high voltage demands and the low densities ran contrary to the demands of the market, which dictated a shift to larger RAM capacities and lower VDIMM requirements (trends that continue to this day). Infineon CE-5 and CE-6s, in my experience, are the best available DDR ICs today with their ability to scale to DDR500 and beyond with relative ease. Their relatively low 2.8V max VDIMM (you throw more voltage at them, but at the risk of killing them prematurely) means they tend to stay healthy for longer, but the fact that they come in 1GB per DIMM is a huge advantage compared to the old-style Winbonds. Nothing like the mix of pragmatism and performance.

I've never owned a set of Winbonds, so my comments are based purely on my research on them. I kinda wish I had a set, if only to get the experience with them.

I have a better shot at racing a Formula 1 car, though, I think...

blitz6804 · 10-08-08

Ah, what a difference one lousy letter will make.

My Gigabyte had an option to run 1.5 CAS Latency. Given that it could only provide 2.77 V, I am dubious that ANY RAM could actually do it despite how slow I made it. Maybe for fun one of these days, before they leave, I should try taking my Corsairs to DDR 200 to see if they will do CAS of 1.5. Sure, performance likely is not great, but it would still be fun to see.

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