thlnk3r

BlackOmega, IC stands for "integrated circuit". I believe BH5 came from Winbound and TCCD is from Samsung (pretty sure that is correct).

For multiple 12 volt rails combining them (adding) is the incorrect way. From what I understand you take the total wattage of the 12volt rails (12v1, 12v2 ect) minus the total wattage of the +3.3v and +5v, take that number and divide that my 12. That should give you your amperage rating. I believe that is the correct procedure. This PSU label is much easier to understand then most. For this particular PSU, the total 12volt amperage is 43.75 amps(the one I linked to).

I hope that makes sense and if I am incorrect someone please assist

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BlackOmega

Ok, Im getting this slowly but surely. I googled IC and found it, but here's something else Ive found. RAM stick vendors and IC manufacturers. Was pretty helpful. I guess my hyper-x is samsung TCCD.
But Ive decided to get an opty 180 and stick with the RAM i have for now.
Whats your opinion of the Mushkin Redline series of RAM?
-P.

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A couple of notes about BH5 and TCCD:

• Both these ICs (thlnk3r correctly specified that BH5 is from Winbond and TCCD is from Samsung) were available in 2 x 256MB or 2 x 512MB (TCCD only) kits. Therefore, if you're looking for 2 x 1GB kits (the recommended minimum for a modern system, in my opinion) with either of these RAM ICs, you will not find any because they don't exist as far as I'm aware.
  
• You will NOT find any more BH5s or TCCDs in the retail channel. Why? Because of the transition to 2 x 1GB kits as the recommended DDR configuration, the market for these ICs dried up. Winbond and Samsung stopped manufacturing these ICs not because they were obsolete in terms of sheer performance, but because they didn't have sufficient capacity to meet the demands of the market. Any BH5s or TCCDs that you may find will only be through a private sale or an auction.

Since DDR is getting tough to find, I think that Infineon CE-6 RAM is probably the best of what's (relatively) available these days. Mushkin's Redline XP4000 (2GB) kit has this IC beneath the heatspreader, for example. You can also try to find Crucial Tracer/Tracer Ballistix DDR500 RAM (2GB); they have Micron ICs in them. These Ballisitx are reputed to be monsters capable of DDR600 in some cases, but sometimes are susceptible to early failures if they are not given direct active cooling.

Good luck in your search for good RAM.

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I have the same thing if I let the ASUS AI suite run, but if I do a manual overclock or clock settings in the bios, it doe's not happen, its all about the power saving stuff in the AI Suite, best thing is to set your clocks and FSB manually in the bios.

billbartuska

ICs are the little black square on the memory modules. The memory manufacturers purchase them from one of the 4 IC manufacturers (or is it now only 3?). Then they use these to build their memory modules. Alas, neither BH5 nor TCCD ICs are currently in production for DDR1 memory. It's either ebay or the For Sale sections of overclocking forums.

The whole subject of what memory manufacturer and what model of memory to buy is a joke to those in the know. They all buy the same ICs from the same manufacturers. But, two ICs, even from the same batch, may overclock to different speeds. So the memory manufacturers test their memory after it is produced (it's called "binning"). Here's Corsairs listing of which ICs are used in which DDR1 modules. Note that, in many instances, the same ICs are supplied in modules rated at different speeds. Say Corsair needs to produce some "CMX1024-3200C2" branded memory today and they have 5 different ICs in the warehouse to choose from or the IC manufaturer has offered than a "deal" on some ICs. See? What goes into ""CMX1024-3200C2" today may not be the same tomorrow. Todays "CMX1024-3200C2" may use ICs that will overclock to 220 mhz (DDR440), but tomorrows batch of "CMX1024-3200C2" may overclock to 275 mhz (DDR550) because it uses different ICs. Of course Corsair will binn the memory and pull out those "CMX1024-3200C2" that will do 275 mhs and rebrand than to something they can sell for more money.

So, what the heck does all this mean?
If you buy premium overclocking memory, the guys making it pretty much know how far it will overclock ...somewhere between what they spec it at and the next higher spec they sell. (ie. DDR400 probably won't overckock past DDR450, if it would they'd, from binning, rebrand it as DDR450 and make more money.
If you buy Value Ram, the guys making it pretty much don't care how fast it will go, they're just interested in getting it out the door at the lowest price. It's much less likely it will overclock well, but since it likely hasn't been binned, there's the chance a particular module will be extreemely good.


So, what should you do?
Safe: Buy memory spec'd to the speed you need. It may overclock some, but at least, at the minimum, you get what you need.
Expensive: Buy the highest speed memory you can find and hope it will overclock even further. Nothing has ever been sold spec'd higher that 300 mhz (DDR600), so you can be pretty sure it hasn't been binned to cull out anything faster. That's ware the 400 mhz (DDR800 world record holding memory) comes from. Well, not so much in the last two years or so. Now all the top overclockers are "sponsored" (read "paid") by the component manufacturers, so they get those hand made and binned "golden" modules. The same with CPUs, Video cards, motherboards, BIOSs, etc..

So, what can you expect?
To get the most out of any memory, spending a lot of time learning how to overclock it. For example, the 4 basic latencies ..Pfffft! There are really 31!

PSU specs are some of the biggest hoaxes foisted onto the public. If you actually "read" the specs, they state that the PSU will supply XXX watts, but if you add up the wattage spec for all the various rails it always adds up to quite a bit more than the rated capacity of the PSU. What it comes down to is that a PSU with two 12v/25 watt rails won't actually supply 25 watts to both rails at the same time. Like 40 watts total, so if one rail is at 25 watts, there's only 15 watts left for the other, and if you try and pull more than that.... Well, not to worry, if you put all the blue smoke back into the PSU it will work fine again.

EEOOOWWEEEE! ...this should be a stickey!

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thlnk3r

BlackOmega, that Mushkin set you link us to I believe runs Infineon CE-6. The none redline set is Samsung UCCC. Good luck with the Opteron 180. I hope your able to get some nice overclocking results

Billbartuska, I'm a bit confused...are you referring to the "Max Combined Power" or "Max Output Current"?

Good luck

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BlackOmega

Thanx guys for all the useful info.

I just submitted my RMA to newegg for the coolamx and am getting the PCPnC S75QB (its on sale, has a $25 rebate and ending today an additional 15% promo code) Even though I dont have quad SLI Ill take it . And since its jonnyguru recommended I know I cant go wrong.
Since Im getting the opty (12X ) and the new PSU the ram might have to wait till next month, kinda crazy thing about the RAM though its cheaper by a few bucks directly from Mushkin than newegg.

So for now since the sticks I have are of a good quality and have no issues (ran memtest for 5hours), Ill just pull 2 and see if I can get her steady once my new PSU shows up.
-P.

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thlnk3r

BlackOmega, good choice on the selection. I don't think you'll have any issues powering your components. That PSU has 60 amps total on a signle 12volt rail and it's 83% efficient. Good deal

Let us know how it goes once you receive it

Good luck

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BlackOmega

Will do thInk3r,
I just ordered the opty and I decided to go with the thermaltake V1 cooler. Man my head hurts from all this new info.....instead of gaming Im just reading and reading all sorts of OCing stuff...... My wife thinks I have a sickness I do this to cars too . Except most of those dont overheat , most of em.
-P.

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billbartuska

Here's the specs from a typical PSU (one used by a lot of overclockers).

Note that the three 12v rails (spec's at 22, 22, and 25 Amps) will only deliver 516 Watts, not 828 watts to power all three rails to their rated output.

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