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Drives are fine, I did the seagate test before (Seagate is new) and it passed. The WD drive works fine on another computer with no corruption. The only difference is that the drive is mounted sideways rather then flat.
The SATA controller might be having problems emulating IDE mode though.
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Drives are fine, I did the seagate test before (Seagate is new) and it passed. The WD drive works fine on another computer with no corruption. The only difference is that the drive is mounted sideways rather then flat.
Sunrex, just to confirm did you in fact run a full surface scan on both drives? Just because the other drive works completely fine in another system or that it's brand new doesn't mean it's working. Don't worry about the drive being mounted sideways that should not effect performance or cause problems.

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I'm confident its the board, actually. If it can't supply the voltages correctly then its more then possible data corruption can happen.

Plus, if I can restart the PC and data that was corrupted before the restart no longer is... well, could be a ram problem I guess but memtest ( A hour or two) showed no errors.

I have noticed the CPU voltage is rather unstable. I have the VCore at 1.350 but it goes up to 1.380/1.430 underload. I would have passed this off as the BIOS adjusting the voltage but I turned off the auto on voltage.
Low voltage ratings on the chipset or processor shouldn't cause data corruption...especially if they are within factory specifications(cpu, memory and motherboard). Is everything at stock? You may have to take a few things off of AUTO and manually enter in the values. At stock settings I'd recommend running a full stress test to see what happens. Fully load the system with either Orthos(blend at priority9) or Prime95. A typical 8 hour test would be perfect.

Have you tested your PSU to make sure the rails are within spec? If you have multimeter handy this can be easily done in less then 5 minutes. I recommend leaving the machine on while conducting this. Here is a great guide that explains this procedure: http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/guide...ing-guide.html.

Have you ran into this problem after an OS install?

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Sunrex, just to confirm did you in fact run a full surface scan on both drives? Just because the other drive works completely fine in another system or that it's brand new doesn't mean it's working. Don't worry about the drive being mounted sideways that should not effect performance or cause problems.



Low voltage ratings on the chipset or processor shouldn't cause data corruption...especially if they are within factory specifications(cpu, memory and motherboard). Is everything at stock? You may have to take a few things off of AUTO and manually enter in the values. At stock settings I'd recommend running a full stress test to see what happens. Fully load the system with either Orthos(blend at priority9) or Prime95. A typical 8 hour test would be perfect.

Have you tested your PSU to make sure the rails are within spec? If you have multimeter handy this can be easily done in less then 5 minutes. I recommend leaving the machine on while conducting this. Here is a great guide that explains this procedure: http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/guide...ing-guide.html.

Have you ran into this problem after an OS install?

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No.. I haven't ran a full surface scan. I'll get the program tommorow since the library is open then, I'm happy though. Verizon started spraying paint for FIOS lines around my home!!! YES!!!.

This problem occured with a less powerful PSU before, I have a new one inside the computer now.. doubt its the PSU - And I have no idea how to test the PSU and will likely screw up -.-.

If your talking about the data corruption after a OS install?. No, not really. It appears to happen mostly when the actual PC is shut down for a amount of time. Could it just be the hard drives dont unmount correctly and its causing all of these problems?.
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This problem occured with a less powerful PSU before, I have a new one inside the computer now.. doubt its the PSU - And I have no idea how to test the PSU and will likely screw up -.-.

If your talking about the data corruption after a OS install?. No, not really. It appears to happen mostly when the actual PC is shut down for a amount of time. Could it just be the hard drives dont unmount correctly and its causing all of these problems?.
Sunrex, take a look at the guide I linked you to in my last post. The procedure is so simple. You won't screw anything up. Not only are finding out whether or not the rails are within spec but you're also learning something new.

Missing system file error's after the machine has been off for a while is definitely a strange issue. When the machine is off, are you keeping the PSU on (on/off switch)? Sorry if I already mentioned this but did you try a different CMOS battery?

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No to the CMOS battery.

I am keeping the PSU on, but its possible power surges or goes out at night.. though its strange this problem is only occuring on this pc *Shrug*.

From what I've experienced, its not actual corruption to the data but the file system. Upon doing a chkdsk, I have full access to files I couldn't use before. Example: Tried using the performance option in mycomputer, wouldnt work. Upon doing the chkdsk it worked again.

My understanding is file system corruption DOES happen if the hard drive doesnt unmount correctly, right?.
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I couldn't tell from everything, but are you still running the system overclocked? Also, did you install the OS with the system overclocked? It really sounds like a system/CPU stability issue still. The 6000+'s are already running at the edge of the X2's stability envelope, so OC'ing may be problematic at times.

Is your PCI-E bus overclocked at all? The SATA interface runs on the pci-e bus, and is very sensitive to overclocks--even small changes in the pci-e bus speed can cause data corruption.

Also, you don't need to format your drive each time you want to clean up an install of windows--you can just do a repair install which will only replace the OS folders (and drivers), leaving all your other data intact (assuming your data is not saved in windows default directories)--so next time, I'd suggest just a repair install.

I would suggest setting all BIOS settings to stock--no overclocks at all--and reinstall/repair install Windows (if you previously installed with the system overclocked).
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I couldn't tell from everything, but are you still running the system overclocked? Also, did you install the OS with the system overclocked? It really sounds like a system/CPU stability issue still. The 6000+'s are already running at the edge of the X2's stability envelope, so OC'ing may be problematic at times.

Is your PCI-E bus overclocked at all? The SATA interface runs on the pci-e bus, and is very sensitive to overclocks--even small changes in the pci-e bus speed can cause data corruption.

Also, you don't need to format your drive each time you want to clean up an install of windows--you can just do a repair install which will only replace the OS folders (and drivers), leaving all your other data intact (assuming your data is not saved in windows default directories)--so next time, I'd suggest just a repair install.

I would suggest setting all BIOS settings to stock--no overclocks at all--and reinstall/repair install Windows (if you previously installed with the system overclocked).
All stock, ram is at suggested timings.

I have no idea about the PCI-E bus though, I guess whatever it was set to.. I wonder if my 8800GT is causing issues?. Nah, doubt it.

Nope, I cant do a repair install. That worked for a while but eventually it wont work anymore. It says theres nothing to repair or something, and yet it wont let me boot up...

I'm running memtest right now, its zipping through my ram like its paper and should be done in a hour or so. I'll have to look into stress testing in the program. No errors yet.

I'm grabbing CPU-Z and then im going to present the information on here.

-edit- My Northbridge does run at 80-110C. But according to Gigabyte tech, they cooked it in a oven to 160 something and it ran stable?. I think its BS personally...
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All stock, ram is at suggested timings.

I have no idea about the PCI-E bus though, I guess whatever it was set to.. I wonder if my 8800GT is causing issues?. Nah, doubt it.

Nope, I cant do a repair install. That worked for a while but eventually it wont work anymore. It says theres nothing to repair or something, and yet it wont let me boot up...

I'm running memtest right now, its zipping through my ram like its paper and should be done in a hour or so. I'll have to look into stress testing in the program. No errors yet.

I'm grabbing CPU-Z and then im going to present the information on here.
I see... I doubt the pci-e bus got overclocked if everything else is at stock then. It might be that your board is just faulty? Not sure if this was mentioned, but make sure that the ram voltage setting in the bios matches with what is suggested by the manufacturer--there are lots of kits that require more than 1.8v, but most motherboard bios default to 1.8v--that creates lots of hassles sometimes...

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-edit- My Northbridge does run at 80-110C. But according to Gigabyte tech, they cooked it in a oven to 160 something and it ran stable?. I think its BS personally...
Sounds like a strange thing for a tech to say. If it did happen, I call BS unless it's 160F...LOL
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Sunrex, if you are getting errors about missing files, pop in your Vista cd. Go to repair my computer, and run the Startup fixer.

If that doesn't work, reboot it and run your system from the dos prompt, and do a DSKCHK C: .

Hopefully you will get it fixed.
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No to the CMOS battery.

I am keeping the PSU on, but its possible power surges or goes out at night.. though its strange this problem is only occuring on this pc *Shrug*
Sunrex, do you have another CMOS battery (CR2032) that you could pop in to test with?

So this problem ONLY occurs when the machine is off for a few hours and then when it's on after a while it runs great? This doesn't explain why the file system would have so many problems

I would still advice checking the rails on the PSU with a multimeter. Do you happen to know the model/brand of the power supply?

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