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1.E5200
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Total comes to $560 before taxes or shipping.

The 4890 calls for a 500W PSU and the Case/PSU combo PSU at 430W is a)almost 20% short on wattage and b) lists no other specs on which to rely. If the OP is planning on OCing this box on top of everything else, I'm concerned that there is going to be a problem.

That said, nice job on getting such a big card in the budget and I think that with a little case & PSU juggling, you've got a winner.
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The 4890 calls for a 500W PSU and the Case/PSU combo PSU at 430W is a)almost 20% short on wattage and b) lists no other specs on which to rely. If the OP is planning on OCing this box on top of everything else, I'm concerned that there is going to be a problem.

That said, nice job on getting such a big card in the budget and I think that with a little case & PSU juggling, you've got a winner.
You obviously dont know about the cards power consumption at all. That 500W you say is for the "Recommended" PSU, is not needed but "Recommended". The 4890 at Full Load will only consume 120W. Which equals to only 10A needed by the Card. That 430W PSU can supply up to 30A. Plenty of headroom wouldn't you say. The E5200 OC'd to around 3.6 would probably take less that 100W. Plus the rest of the system would bring you about 250W at full load.

In the end, the 430W well built PSU. Can and does have enough power to run an Overclocked system with an 4890 and E5200 overclocked.

EDIT: From the pictures you can see the PSU being this one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371023
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4.GIGABYTE GA-EP43-UD3L
5.G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 800Mhz
6.XFX Radeon HD 4890 1GB
7.Samsung DVD Drive

Total comes to $560 before taxes or shipping.

drop the 4890 down to a 4830 and get a better psu
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You obviously dont know about the cards power consumption at all. That 500W you say is for the "Recommended" PSU, is not needed but "Recommended". The 4890 at Full Load will only consume 120W. Which equals to only 10A needed by the Card. That 430W PSU can supply up to 30A. Plenty of headroom wouldn't you say. The E5200 OC'd to around 3.6 would probably take less that 100W. Plus the rest of the system would bring you about 250W at full load.

In the end, the 430W well built PSU. Can and does have enough power to run an Overclocked system with an 4890 and E5200 overclocked.

P.S. That "little" case is a cooling monster for it's size.
You are right, I don't know about the card's power consumption which is why I refer back to the manufacturer's recommendation. Unless you know something about the PSU that isn't in the literature, I'm not sure how you derive the quality of the PSU. It's been my experience that items added to increase a products apparent value are a) inconsistent in quality and b) a product of the lowest bidder. All of this experiential information does make me wary of what I don't know about that particular PSU.

If you happen to know more specifics about the PSU(s) Antec includes in this combo box, I'd love to get my hands on it. Do you also know (because I can't find it listed either) what kind of amperage the 4890 likes? You mentioned you expect it to draw 10amps, but again do you have any specs to back that up? If I assume that they use this PSU (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371023), then I also assume that they did not intend for this PSU to be used with video cards that require 2x6pin connectors.

If it was my computer, I'd make a different choice, because (and nothing personal) I'd rather go by the manufacturer guidelines than a guy on a forum basically saying, "trust me".
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120W for the 4890 @ Full Load.

Physics 101: P=IV

P: Power also known as Watts
I: Current also known as Amps
V: Voltage

120W/12V=10A

You got that?

Also on the Power Supply quality, its Freaking Antec. Their products have been reviewed many times leading to the same conclusion. You get the best bang for your buck. With top notch quality.

The PSU in the combo has been mentioned in my previous post. It can provide at maximum 360W to the 12V line. Which translate into 30A. Plenty for the 4890 and the E5200. So what if they didn't include the "Required" 6-pin Connections. Ever wonder why Graphics cards manufacturer include in the box, 2x4-Pin -> 1x6-Pin GPU Adapters?

Proven by the math that a 430W with the proven quality can supply the power to the 4890. Also did you even read the article that I posted? I shows you the individual Amperage needed by every Volt line on the PSU.
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That's a great explanation, thanks. Why do you think the manufacturers 'require' higher specs than what you recommend?
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Why do you think the manufacturers 'require' higher specs than what you recommend?
So they don't leave anything to chance.
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So they don't leave anything to chance.
Well, I have I have heard that when they say 500W, they usually do some torture tests. Like running it with an i7, 6 HDD, 5 DVD Drives, all Ram slots filled in, etc... But that's what I heard. I'm not certain on this one.
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