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Default What's an MCP and why is it very hot?

I think MCP is causing my system instability and prevents me from overclocking further than 25%

Here are temps from everest:

MOBO: 37
CPU: 25
CPU diode: 21
MCP: 58
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mcp reached 61 which made orthos stress test find errors.

Where is it located in the board? Near the PCI slots? CPU? ram?
So ill know where to put another case fan
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(MultiChip Package) A chip package that contains two or more chips. It is essentially a multichip module (MCM) that uses a laminated, printed-circuit-board-like substrate (MCM-L) rather than ceramic (MCM-C). MCPs are also tested after packaging, whereas the bare chips of ceramic-based MCMs were tested before packaging so as not to waste the more costly ceramic substrate if the chips were no good. See MCM.
I believe 'MCP' is referring to the northbridge on your mobo. I believe this is your board. The northbridge is circled:



Some things to do; take off the stock heatsink, apply new thermal paste/thermal tape. Or take off the passive heatsink and buy an active one. Here's a good one from Xoxide, on sale:
http://www.xoxide.com/thermaltake-ex...et-cooler.html
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Northbridge is SPP, Southbridge is MCP. That might be one reason you are confused.

Replace the tim on your MCP (southbridge) and get better temps. Otherwise, lower the voltage on it and try for a smaller OC. I'm not familiar with that board, but I'm sure you could replace the fan with a 80mm or small fan to help aid the temps on the SB heatsink. Also, SPP is your northbridge on the nvidia Nfoce motherboards with that mobo.

My southbridge runs pretty hot too, around 45-55c, but i hAve the voltage up a notch.

http://zachary09163.xanga.com/

Excert from that page:
Motherboard ID : 12/13/2007-NF-MCP61-6A61KCDHC-00

OEM Signature : GeForce6100PM-M2 12/13/2007

DMI Version : 2.4

Characteristics

Flashable : Yes

Socketed : Yes

Functionality

APM : Yes

ACPI : Yes

ESCD : No

PnP : Yes

PCI : Yes

ISA : Yes

AGP : No

USB : Yes

PCMCIA : No

Smart Battery : No

Boot Information

Selectable Boot : Yes

CD-ROM Boot : Yes

PC Card (PCMCIA) Boot : No

I20 Boot : No

LS-120 Boot : Yes

1394 Boot : No

ATAPI ZIP Boot : Yes

Network Boot : No

> Chipset : nVidia 6100V

General Information

NorthBridge (SPP) : nVidia 6100V -----also called MCH on 680i boards)

NorthBridge : AMD K8 Bridge

NorthBridge : AMD K8 Bridge

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SouthBridge (MCP) : nVidia MCP61

NorthBridge Information

Architecture : Northbridge

Manufacturer : nVidia (Elitegroup Computer Sys)

Codename : MCP61

Revision : A3

NorthBridge Information

Architecture : Northbridge

Manufacturer : AMD

Revision : 00

Bus Speed : 200.9 MHz

HT Link : 1004.6 MHz

HyperTransport Clock : 1000 MHz

Upstream : 16-bit

Downstream : 16-bit

HTT max. Support : 2000 MHz

RAM max. Support : DDR2 (800 MHz)

NorthBridge Information

Architecture : Northbridge

Manufacturer : AMD

Revision : 00

Bus Speed : 200.9 MHz

HT Link : 1004.6 MHz

HyperTransport Clock : 1000 MHz
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Actually his board only has one, considered to be the MCP, but heathmcabee is right, in most cases southbridge is MCP.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813135074

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northbr...28computing%29
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Another example of this kind of change is NVIDIA's nForce3 chipset for AMD64 systems that is a single chip. It combines all of the features of a normal southbridge with an AGP port and connects directly to the CPU. On nForce4 boards they consider this to be an MCP (Media Communications Processor).
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The GeForce6100PM-M2 v2.0 motherboard is based on the NVIDIA GeForce 6100/nForce 430 Northbridge chipset. It supports AMD Phenom, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX and Athlon 64 Processors, with Hyper-Transport Technology and 800/1000MHz (1600/2000 MT/s) Front Side Bus support.

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nForce 430 (MCP61), 405, 400
o Ethernet Driver MCP61 (v65.21) "WHQL"
o Network Management Tools MCP61 (v65.23)
o SMBus Driver (v4.57) "WHQL"
o IDE SataRAID Driver (v6.86) "WHQL"
o IDE SataIDE Driver (v6.86) "WHQL"
o RAIDTOOL Application (v6.86)
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1. ECS is a bottom-of-the-bin manufacturer. Their boards are intended for budget applications, not enthusiast-level overclocking. You're already lucky to be getting a +25% overclock on that thing.
2. The Nvidia GeForce 6100/nForce 430 is a low-end IGP chipset. This is not a platform intended for overclocking.

I believe these two factors have much more to do with your OC ability than the MCP temps.
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Great advice and info Deviance. Built in controller for both the AGP (maybe raid in supported *forgot to look* and the northbridge prcocesing all in one area. Strange, I know, but I dont think this board was meant for setting world records with the low end layout it has on the motherboard. The best I can recommend is my post above to maximize his cooling and replace the TIM.
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I think MCP is causing my system instability and prevents me from overclocking further than 25%

Here are temps from everest:

MOBO: 37
CPU: 25
CPU diode: 21
MCP: 58
Aux: 36
GPU: 48
HDD: 40

mcp reached 61 which made orthos stress test find errors.

Where is it located in the board? Near the PCI slots? CPU? ram?
So ill know where to put another case fan
That is your north bridge and on your board it is also a graphics card.

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Great advice and info Deviance. Built in controller for both the AGP and the northbridge prcocesing all in one area. Strange, I know, but I dont think this board was meant for setting world records. If you pull a 30-35% overclock I would be surprised.
Thanks man, I was pretty surprised myself. I had never heard of such a thing. Well, until now that is.
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Please show all voltage changes.
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I didnt change the voltage of board and cpu, all i did was increase bus speed to 250, and lower memory timings a bit to avoid instability.

Could I use a fan and heatsink taken from an old Geforce 4? or maybe drill a hole in the side of the casing and put an 80mm fan that will directly hit the MCP heatsink
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