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*VulcanDragon* · 06-07-05

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Originally Posted by MrSmiley

Math isn't all it's about,

Actually, yes it is. Algorithms are an advanced mathematics concept, as are abstract data types (graphs, trees, etc.) And programming is nothing but applying algorithms to manipulate data.

kris_cs1 · 06-07-05

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Originally Posted by VulcanDragon

Actually, yes it is. Algorithms are an advanced mathematics concept, as are abstract data types (graphs, trees, etc.) And programming is nothing but applying algorithms to manipulate data.

Well actually it completely depends on what you are programming.
Ok, in a lot of applications there is math but in some there is as little as a bit of addition and subtraction to manipulate sentences which to be honest, anyone can do.

Leprachuan · 06-07-05

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Originally Posted by kris_cs1

Well actually it completely depends on what you are programming.
Ok, in a lot of applications there is math but in some there is as little as a bit of addition and subtraction to manipulate sentences which to be honest, anyone can do.

agreeed there is alot of programming that has very little math just some simple logic behind it

Leprachuan · 06-07-05

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Originally Posted by kris_cs1

Well actually it completely depends on what you are programming.
Ok, in a lot of applications there is math but in some there is as little as a bit of addition and subtraction to manipulate sentences which to be honest, anyone can do.

darn...sorry for the double post...didnt meant too....stupid internet

*VulcanDragon* · 06-07-05

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Originally Posted by kris_cs1

Well actually it completely depends on what you are programming.
Ok, in a lot of applications there is math but in some there is as little as a bit of addition and subtraction to manipulate sentences which to be honest, anyone can do.

Parsing strings is still technically math, because...

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Originally Posted by Leprachuan

agreeed there is alot of programming that has very little math just some simple logic behind it

...logic is math. A string parser boils down to a loop algorithm that includes logical comparison operations on multiple operands, usually assigning values to one or more variables as output. Sounds like math to me!

Remember, there is a lot more to the broad area of mathematics than addition and subtraction, or trigonometry, or some of the other constraints that have been applied to it in this thread. Higher level math courses dealing with logic and algorithms are not coincidentally similar to basic computer programming courses (and thus pretty darn easy for a programming major!)

Philosophical thought for the day: If programming did not boil down to a series of mathematical operations, a computer could execute a program.

**Xavier1421** · 06-07-05

Vulcan talking about logic...get it? Funny right? Ok, I'll go away now

*Mr.N00bLaR* · 06-07-05

Hmm.. C++ is my first language lol.. Its not easy specialy when you've no teacher and your dumb =) All that I have accomplished with it are some basic calculators. Before I knew like anything at all one of my friends told me that c++ was a very good language to learn to I picked up a book lol! You could prolly get tons of free help off the net.

Melraidin · 06-07-05

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Originally Posted by Mr.N00bLaR

Hmm.. C++ is my first language lol.. Its not easy specialy when you've no teacher and your dumb =) All that I have accomplished with it are some basic calculators. Before I knew like anything at all one of my friends told me that c++ was a very good language to learn to I picked up a book lol! You could prolly get tons of free help off the net.

While C++ isn't the language I would first introduce someone to it is fairly valuable to know. I can't think of a single language with a broader base of available code on the internet. With knowledge of C++ style and structure you're in a good position to experience a short learning curve when you move into other languages.

BTW, if you're looking for something that may be a bit more efficient to code in and still use most of your current knowledge try looking into C#. There are many things in C# that will allow a beginner to create larger programs more quickly. One caveat though, these same features could teach you bad habits; when you discover something new you'd like to use try to understand what you're actually doing and to do it in the most "correct" manner you can.

*VulcanDragon* · 06-07-05

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Originally Posted by Melraidin

BTW, if you're looking for something that may be a bit more efficient to code in and still use most of your current knowledge try looking into C#.

I've heard good things about C#. But are there any free or inexpensive C# compilers yet? To my knowledge it is only available as part of Visual Studio, which is pretty expensive for someone just getting started. (Student discounts may bring the price down to earth, if you're still in school.)

An FYI on the side: Oracle 10g Release 2 (due out any time now) will run .NET CRL bytecode (i.e. compiled C#, or VB.NET or whatever) inside the database. So you could write stored procedures in C#. Pretty nifty.

Melraidin · 06-07-05

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Originally Posted by VulcanDragon

I've heard good things about C#. But are there any free or inexpensive C# compilers yet? To my knowledge it is only available as part of Visual Studio, which is pretty expensive for someone just getting started. (Student discounts may bring the price down to earth, if you're still in school.)

An FYI on the side: Oracle 10g Release 2 (due out any time now) will run .NET CRL bytecode (i.e. compiled C#, or VB.NET or whatever) inside the database. So you could write stored procedures in C#. Pretty nifty.

Wish I was able to run Oracle... oh how I wish...

I believe the actual C# compiler is still free, but the VS.NET IDE is of course still commercial. So you're able to DL the compiler and compile code, but you'd have to use some other editor to do so. I know there's also on-going projects to build C# compilers for other platforms like Linux.

Have a look here: http://www.netspade.com/articles/csharp/compilers.xml

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