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MrSmiley · 06-07-05

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Originally Posted by VulcanDragon

Actually, yes it is. Algorithms are an advanced mathematics concept, as are abstract data types (graphs, trees, etc.) And programming is nothing but applying algorithms to manipulate data.

I appologize, if you are a coding monkey man (IT/IS worker), you yourself will never really use higher level algorithms or math. But yes algorithms are mathmatically based. Ok, Vulcan 1 me 999.

Melraiden, I disagree, C/C++ is more efficent, has a higher tier level, and is all around better. C# is Microsofts attempt to rip off C++. It fails just like J#.

**BFRD** · 06-07-05

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Originally Posted by VulcanDragon

I've heard good things about C#. But are there any free or inexpensive C# compilers yet? To my knowledge it is only available as part of Visual Studio, which is pretty expensive for someone just getting started. (Student discounts may bring the price down to earth, if you're still in school.)

An FYI on the side: Oracle 10g Release 2 (due out any time now) will run .NET CRL bytecode (i.e. compiled C#, or VB.NET or whatever) inside the database. So you could write stored procedures in C#. Pretty nifty.

You could do everything with the .NET framework. There should be a compiler in there, I think csc.exe. There is also a free tool on asp.net for creating a .net powered web site.

MrSmiley · 06-07-05

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Originally Posted by BFRD

You could do everything with the .NET framework. There should be a compiler in there, I think csc.exe. There is also a free tool on asp.net for creating a .net powered web site.

I'll leave one question, you do cross platform in; any version; C with .NET enviroment and tell me how that works out.

Melraidin · 06-07-05

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Originally Posted by MrSmiley

I appologize, if you are a coding monkey man (IT/IS worker), you yourself will never really use higher level algorithms or math. But yes algorithms are mathmatically based. Ok, Vulcan 1 me 999.

Melraiden, I disagree, C/C++ is more efficent, has a higher tier level, and is all around better. C# is Microsofts attempt to rip off C++. It fails just like J#.

Not sure what meaning of efficient you're using... When I said efficient I mean from a productivity standpoint. For example I can take a properly formed schema for an XML feed and have a serializer built within minutes in C#, complete with all elements represented as classes, etc. It's been a little while since I did much C++, but I don't believe you can match that for speed of development.

Melraidin · 06-07-05

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Originally Posted by MrSmiley

I'll leave one question, you do cross platform in; any version; C with .NET enviroment and tell me how that works out.

I'm really not sure what you're getting at here; could you please re-phrase?

If you mean cross platform development using a .NET language then no, I haven't. But I do believe there are on-going projects to develop interpreters for a number of .NET languages on other platforms.

Or are you referring to using multiple languages in a project? I've worked on projects where I used C++, C#, and VB.NET in the same solution, if that is indeed what you mean.

*VulcanDragon* · 06-07-05

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Originally Posted by BFRD

You could do everything with the .NET framework. There should be a compiler in there, I think csc.exe.

I should have assumed that I suppose, since I have used the vbc.exe compiler to make a VB.NET project. Not one I built myself mind you, I was customizing the out-of-box Microstrategy Web product (which ships will components built in VB.NET) and it required a recompile. And that server only had the framework on it, not Visual Studio.

MrSmiley · 06-07-05

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Originally Posted by Melraidin

I'm really not sure what you're getting at here; could you please re-phrase?

If you mean cross platform development using a .NET language then no, I haven't. But I do believe there are on-going projects to develop interpreters for a number of .NET languages on other platforms.

Or are you referring to using multiple languages in a project? I've worked on projects where I used C++, C#, and VB.NET in the same solution, if that is indeed what you mean.

When the words "Cross-platform" are said, they usually mean Cross OS, "Cross-Language" would be the use of multiple OS's. So CrossPlatform != 'CrossLanguage'

*VulcanDragon* · 06-08-05

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Originally Posted by MrSmiley

When the words "Cross-platform" are said, they usually mean Cross OS, "Cross-Language" would be the use of multiple OS's. So CrossPlatform != 'CrossLanguage'

I'm not sure you said what you meant, or I'm not following either...?

Cross platform = the same code runs on multiple heterogenous environments. Could be different OSs on the same hardware (Linux vs Windows on x86), or the same OS on different hardware (Linux on x86 vs anything else). Does not imply that a recompile is not required, though. But it does imply that no platform specific libraries, APIs, or SDKs are used; their presence would require at least a partuial rewrite to use the corresponding API/SDK of the second platform (i.e., a port).

"Cross language" is not a term I have seen used, or at least seen used often enough to remember it and think of it as programming jargon. But interpreting the phrase at face value, I assume you are talking about a single application built from multiple source files written in different languages? E.g. a single .NET application written in a mix of C, C#, and VB.NET?

So yes, cross platform definitely != "cross language".

**BFRD** · 06-08-05

There is project being undertaken by MS to get the .NET framework running on FreeBSD. I believe there is another project for Linux (Ximian). So with certain exceptions (COM and other Windows only controls) .net applications "could" be cross platform.

Melraidin · 06-08-05

Looks like .NET's already become more cross-platform than I had thought; I had expected it to be another 6 months or so before fully compliant compilers were available for other platforms: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...36115?v=glance

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