Licht

.Net includes a few languages. C++, C, C#, and Visual Basic. I use C# but C++.Net is very popular. .Net isn't a language, its a framework to increase the speed and quality of applications for Windows.

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Indian_Engineer

yeah i know what .NET is. thanks for being condescending (j/k)

but seriously i meant what GUI to use in coding it. express versions suffice or should I actually buy stuff? I'm a linux guy, i dont like hate paying for software

OH and also why not C++.Net? its not just you, most of my friends who are .NET experts use C#

Licht

Visual Studio Express 2008 is more then adequate. Just wish it could compile to 64bit (only commercial versions of Visual Studio can do that.)

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Stormwolf

Use Visual Studio Express or you can download the 90-day trial of the Pro version. C++ .NET / managed C++ is just fugly and for pretty much anything that isn't embedded / time-critical code you might as well use C# ...well, assuming you have the .NET Framework installed on your target platform. There are few things that you can do in C++ that you can't do more neatly (or at least more prettily) in C# these days (although using managed C++ does allow you to call unmanaged classes from managed C++ code without having to resort to COM interop).

Licht

.Net being on the target platform isn't an issue now. Usually only computers that have illegal copies of Windows XP (or earlier versions of Windows) don't have the framework. This is because it is an update for XP and Vista has it preinstalled. And even then illegal copies of XP can download the .Net framework, filling the last little gap.

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Stormwolf

You'd think that wouldn't you? I work for a company with a strict (some would say harsh) IT policy (can't blame them given the nature of the business) where .NET isn't on their 'Approved Products List' for the primary business LAN, where the standard build machines still come with Windows 2000 much to the disgust of my team who are forced to write apps using Visual Studio 6 simply because we can't get the company to revise their stance...

Anyway I digress, my point is, never make assumptions about target platforms sometimes it is an issue thanks to company IT policies.

Licht

How could they still be on Win2K? I mean its more secure then XP but Vista is a whole world apart from both of them. And .Net, i mean really .Net is a great platform.

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Stormwolf

Vista would require the roll-out of several hundred (if not several thousand) new PCs that are actually capable of running the damn thing I know .NET is great and there's almost certainly nothing in it that has the potential for a gaping security hole, so we must muddle along with the tools that we're given...

Licht

Vista isn't as bad as you think. My 1.8ghz Turion that bearly plays WMP with 512mb of RAM runs it fine. I was so impressed with how well it ran and the fact it booted up everything running perfectly (generic drivers.)

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Stormwolf

Careful what you say - that's very nearly heresy in some places never the less, the decision to upgrade isn't mine to make, so we do the best with the tools that we're given. Pass me that hammer - I think I see a nail.