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Utilizing a pair of Thermaltake CL-C0034 Extreme Spirit II North Bridge (northbridge) and South Bridge (southbridge) heatsink and fan (HSF) chipset coolers, I attached them to the stock cooling blocks of the copper heat pipe system on my ASUS P5N32-E SLI PLUS or Striker Extreme motherboard by removing the copper cooling fins(See Image 1) from the north bridge and the Ai Lifestyle shield over the south bridge so the stock heat pipe system can work in tandem with the Extreme Spirit II creating an entirely custom and impressively efficient upgraded cooling system.

After removing the stock copper heat pipe cooling system with a pair of small needle nosed pliers pushing the plastic retainer pins back through and out, I cleaned off the old and dried up thermal compound(See Image 2) found on the underside of the stock cooling blocks, cleaned the surfaces and applied Arctic Silver 5(See Image 3) on the necessary surfaces. Starting with the South Bridge, I removed the “Ai Lifestyle” shield(See Image 4) from the stock heat pipe block. Then using some longer bolts I purchased to match the thread pattern of the hardware supplied with the Extreme Spirit II coolers, I reattached the stock south bridge heatpipe cooler. Notice the clearance available over the stock block here(See Image 5Image 6).

I did not want the new fan to blow directly on where will soon be a 2nd GTX 260 below the south bridge, so in hopes of evacuating the heat generated from the south bridge chip as quickly as possible and while I considered the cooling system of the graphics cards as well, I decided an angled position would be the most efficient way of doing so. And so before installing the Extreme Spirit II I went ahead and trimmed the fins on one side using a small carbide tipped circular saw blade(See Image 7). Here is a close up of the trimmed fins(See Image 8). With the corner edges of those fins shaved off, I was able to mount the Extreme Spirit II at a slight angle allowing for airflow in the direction I desired. These next two pictures show how the Extreme Spirit II fits along side a GTX 260 above(See Image 9) and below(See Image 10). I also fancied a small heat shield out of an aluminum can(See Image 11) that I will use to protect the 2nd GTX 260 I intend to purchase in the next weeks. I don’t know if it will help protect that bottom GTX 260 from the heat generated by the south bridge chip or not, but I know it won’t hurt. That is the whole reason I trimmed the corners and mounted at an angle in the 1st place, because I didn’t want it to blast hot air directly on the back of the bottom GTX 260 core. Mounting the Extreme Spirit II on the south bridge was challenging, but with a stubborn diligence to make it work, I was able to make a custom bracket out of an old expansion slot shield(See Image 12) with a pair of 8 Inch needle nosed pliers, a vice grip, some tin snips, a cordless drill and a black Sharpie. The upper end of the bracket needed to be bent down so the securing nut would still clearance the back of the upper GTX 260. Have another look here(See Image 13). And of course here’s an up close look at how the south bridge Extreme Spirit II upgrade turned out(See Image 14).

Okay with the south bridge upgrade complete, I’ll move on to the easy part being that the north bridge doesn’t have any clearance issued to worry about. My plan was to have the fan blow the air through the heatsink in the same direction as my Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro all to be sucked out the rear of my case with my rear exhaust fan. I removed the stock north bridge copper heat pipe cooling system the same way I did with the south bridge saving the black plastic clips for who knows what. Then I secured it with screws to the side of my project countertop flush to the top allowing me to make a single clean cut removing the stock fins from the block(See Image 17). After sticking some super fine grit sand paper to a long sanding block, I cleaned up any imperfections the saw made making sure to create a very flat surface for mounting the Extreme Spirit II cooler to(See Image 18). Here is a close up of how the north bridge Extreme Spirit II upgrade turned out(See Image 19).

I thought I should point out that if desired, one could easily upgrade the 40mm X 40mm X 10mm fan included with the Extreme Spirit II with any 40mm X 40mm X 20mm fan, either by mounting it on the opposite side of the heatsink(See Image 15), or by predrilling a new hole to relocate the screw and allowing the wider fan to fit directly over the chip.(See Image 16). This fan upgrade may not be compatible in all circumstances if clearance is an option and hardly necessary as the stock unit is a very efficient design to begin with.

I’m super happy with how everything turned out. Here, you can see how I was able to retain the stock mosfet cooling(See Image 20). After upgrading my CPU cooler, I was unable to use the top ASUS cooling fan, so I ordered a couple of 30mm case fans that screwed perfectly into the top mosfet cooling heatsink.

Here are some pictures of the finished product. (Image 21Image 22Image 23Image 24) And here is a final look at my P5N32-E SLI PLUS or Striker Extreme with the dual Thermaltake Extreme Spirit II coolers installed and working flawlessly with the original cooling system. (Image 25Image 26Image 27Image 28)

Please don’t make fun of my thermal paste mess under these two Extreme Spirit II coolers. I ran out of Arctic Silver 5 of which I had enough to reinstall the stock heatpipe system. I was forced to use the included ceramic thermal paste between the Extreme Spirit II blocks and the stock blocks and did not expect it to act the way it did. Lesson learned. However, at the end of this post, you will be able to see the outstanding results I’ve had using this cooling system. I am thoroughly impressed with the included ceramic thermal paste.

After studying many of the new motherboard products available now primarilly by ASUS, I can see how this very same approach I’ve taken can be implemented by upgrading the stock heatpipe cooling systems on nearly all of their products; including the P5Q, P5K, P5E and even the P5N series motherboards. Come to think of it, that was the one feature I wasn't very excited about with the ASUS Striker II Extreme; I don't lke dealing with water cooling. In fact, now that the X58 chips are out, the Striker Extreme made a HUGE price drop. Good thing I'm loyal to nVidia, because now that I've got it figured out, I can easilly mount two of these Thermaltake Extreme Spirit II HSFs just over the stock northbridge system by simply removing the waterblock and stock fan(Minor trimming may be necessary here). Furthermore, I will remove the blue sheild from over the southbridge revealing the 1/4 tall copper fins and install one or a pair of 7mm thick fan(s) all the while allowing enough clearance for 3-Way SLI.

I haven’t been lucky enough to see up close and personal many of the very high end motherboards by ASUS's competitors, but from the pictures I’ve seen at newegg, it looks as though even those nVidia referenced 790i motherboards by EVGA, XFX, etc can be upgraded the vare same way; by adding a few pairs of 30mm fans to the the heatsinks surrounding the CPU, by upgrading the stock northbridge fan with a much more efficient one and by carefully removing the aluminum fins on the southbridge cooling block and adding a Thermaltake Extreme Spirit II. Take in consideration the fact that you would lose the ability for 3-way SLI unless you opted to instead mount a low profile heatsink or a HSF to the top of the existing southbridge cooling block. I would recommend usingArctic Silver Premium Thermal Adhesive to mount something like that. Tons of options are out there. You just have to find the one you need. From the looks of it, even a 10mm HSF should fit after removing those aluminum fins. You'll need to measure to be sure.

Have a friend help hold a circular saw steady for you if you don’t feel comfortable doing it on your own. You’ll need all your fingers to get those frags. A good carbide tip blade is all you need and the more teeth, the better. I used to install Sun Rooms/Solariums made out of aluminum, so I am quite accustomed to working with metal. I knew Copper was very similar to Aluminum as far as cutting goes, so I went for it. You may want to stop by your local recycling compound and pick up a few pieces of aluminum so you can get a feel for it and know what to expect when cutting it. These soft metals cut super easilly so don't be discouraged; just practice on a piece of extruded aluminum if you aren't sure what to expect.

Here are my overclocking and cooling results with my E6600 under load(See Image 29). As you can see, I like to keep my other monitor on so I can keep an eye on the system. I remember with my previous 7950s that SLI mode disabled the other monitor while gaming though. I’ll have to use those annoying alarms then; not that I need them anymore, at least not for my motherboard. Thanks to Robilar and his thread on the P5N32-E for pointing out just what I needed to do in order to get my FSB to 410(1640). I did lower my multiplier to 8 until I get my E8500 next week I picked up from mwave.com for $186 + Free Shipping. Otherwise, at a 9 multiplier with my E6600, I maxed out the FSB at 378(1512) and the CPU at 3402MHz. I can’t wait to play with my new CPU!

Here are my overclocking and cooling results with my E8500 under load(See Image 30). I have only just begun to play with this new CPU, so I’m confident I will be able to get a bit more out of it, but I am at a loss as to why this 45nm CPU runs at such higher temperatures than my previous 65nm E6600. –Something to look into, I guess. I'd appreciate any tips or help there!

As far as my motherboard cooling project results goes, it really only depends on what the ambient room temperature is as whatever temperature the motherboard idles, which is usually 28C to 31C, is right where it will stay. Whether I’m sitting on the internet, or playing Crysis for 10 hours straight, it does not budge more than a single degree. Now those are some impressive results!

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wicked job dude, ive just installed fans in a line from front to back in a direct line line thru my cpu cooler 4 120 fans in total. agressive enough?

EDIT: just uploaded pics as you can see i havent jack to work with

I've have a sever high top case i think im gonna mod, put heaps of fans in and a window. Any ideas for the mod in regards to the fans and how i should set them up? is the wind tunnel the best way to go ( i think so) Really just any all round ideas (2nd ever mod, first was a ****ta)
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Thanks morphus1. Yeah, nice wind tunnel. Any pics posted?

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I took around about 100+ pictures while working on this project, so if anyone would like to see them, just let me know and I'll send you a link to see them.
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Nice mod, it looks as though the motherboard cooling layout was very well thought out. I saw the screen shot of your E8500 and your temps are considerably high for your processor, especially since your only clocked to 3.8ghz and your not even over 1.2v.

I dont know what the CFM ratings are on your fans but judging by the pics you have taken it looks as though you have a negative pressure system, best for minimizing dust. The only suggestion I have is that may or may not help is installing a fan or a couple of fans, dependent on size, in or in front of your hard drive cage to help pull cool air from your intake fan. Sort of like a push pull type of configuration. Im not sure if it will help you at all but it would be interesting to see if it had any effect on your system temp.

Overall, even without any further modification you have what seems to be a very efficiently cooled case. Dependent on whether or not I replace my motherboard or go with a X58 setup I may just have to work on something to get my motherboard temps down from 41c. I have adequate ventilation, but the stock cooling isnt the best on this board.
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Hey, thanks for the input Mattb2erea. I don't know what those temps were before I did my 3rd go at my air duct, but I just went through my realtemplog.txt for my last gaming session playing through Assassin's Creed last night and both cores are running at 46c-49c under the load of that game. I counted only two instances where one core hit 52c in a few days of solid gaming. What does that NV stand for in that log file?

You can see my airflow set up in the picture below. Since that picture was taken, I installed four small coasters on the bottom of my case and cut another hole below the lower VGA fan intake. The little coasters raised the case just enough to allow room for an 80mm fan to be installed in direct alignment with the intake fan of the lower VGA. I also flipped the airflow of the SB fan to blow towards the back of the case. These new changes were done because the lower VGA was running sometimes 12c hotter! Now they both run right at only 51c-52c under load.



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Hey, thanks for the input Mattb2erea. I don't know what those temps were before I did my 3rd go at my air duct, but I just went through my realtemplog.txt for my last gaming session playing through Assassin's Creed last night and both cores are running at 46c-49c under the load of that game. I counted only two instances where one core hit 52c in a few days of solid gaming. What does that NV stand for in that log file?
Im not sure what NV Stands for however the value in the log file for NV should be your GPU temp. I looked at my log file and the temp displayed for that parameter was exactly the same as my GPU Temp. 52c isnt too shabby for a load temp so I think your good with that. I usually run around that temp at 4.0ghz at full load.

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You can see my airflow set up in the picture below. Since that picture was taken, I installed four small coasters on the bottom of my case and cut another hole below the lower VGA fan intake. The little coasters raised the case just enough to allow room for an 80mm fan to be installed in direct alignment with the intake fan of the lower VGA. I also flipped the airflow of the SB fan to blow towards the back of the case. These new changes were done because the lower VGA was running sometimes 12c hotter! Now they both run right at only 51c-52c under load.
Oh ok so together your 80mm intake fan and your SB cooler fan are providing your GPU's with an air intake to help cool them. Im not a huge fan, no pun intended, of the slot cooler type gpu's they kind of limit your air intake to a small opening, however the exhaust blowing directly out of the case I guess makes up for that fact.

I still think it would be interesting to try an 80mm fan or whatever would fit in your HD cage or in front of it, that could help your GPU's a bit more with getting some cooler air. By the looks of it your case is loud with all those fans lol. My case has 3 230mm fans and 4 120mm fans and ive gotten nothing but complaints from the little lady about it. That and the bright LED's lol. Heres a pic of my case.
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Im not sure what NV Stands for however the value in the log file for NV should be your GPU temp. I looked at my log file and the temp displayed for that parameter was exactly the same as my GPU Temp. 52c isnt too shabby for a load temp so I think your good with that. I usually run around that temp at 4.0ghz at full load.



Oh ok so together your 80mm intake fan and your SB cooler fan are providing your GPU's with an air intake to help cool them. Im not a huge fan, no pun intended, of the slot cooler type gpu's they kind of limit your air intake to a small opening, however the exhaust blowing directly out of the case I guess makes up for that fact.

I still think it would be interesting to try an 80mm fan or whatever would fit in your HD cage or in front of it, that could help your GPU's a bit more with getting some cooler air. By the looks of it your case is loud with all those fans lol. My case has 3 230mm fans and 4 120mm fans and ive gotten nothing but complaints from the little lady about it. That and the bright LED's lol. Heres a pic of my case.
Waoh, nice case! Yeah duh- the GPU temp! I can't believe I didn't figure that out.

Yeah, I definitely have to raise my voice to talk over it, but I have a fan controller to turn them way down while I'm not gaming and then it's barely audible under my desk. I don't hear it anyways with my Tritton Ax Pros on. I had to invest in some good cans, because all my neighbors kept complaining about the noise. Funny thing actually, the old guy neighbor directly across the wall from me asked me if I was running a compressor or generator in my bedroom. I talked him into letting me in his bedroom so I could hear what he was talking about. Sure enough, it's the fans! I just don't shove it all the way against the wall anymore.

No, I have a shield protecting the upper VGA from the heat generated by the SB. That thing gets hotter than my NB as the 650i still runs all the PCI-e slots through the SB.

Heck, I'll take those pictures now so what I'm talking about is clear. You should be able to see the fan for the HDs now. Oh, and that Corsair memory cooler sitting there isn't permanent. I was just experimenting with it. I'm going to be cutting out three holes in the back of the case next to all the VGAs and use it to suck some more of the heat out. Just sitting it there on the bottom of my case made a few degree difference, so I'm sure it will be worth the effort. Besides, my memory hardly even gets warm, so I don't need it there.
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