Overclock.net - Overclocking.net
     
 
Home Gallery Reviews Blogs Register Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Members List


Go Back   Overclock.net - Overclocking.net > Cooling > Cooling Experiments

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 08-28-09   #1 (permalink)
WaterCooler
 
Gill..'s Avatar
 
amd ati

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Woburn, MA - Soxnation
Posts: 838

Rep: 68 Gill.. is acknowledged by some
Unique Rep: 60
Trader Rating: 1
Default Air or water cooling for heating the house???

OK Fellow OCN'ers. For the record, I did search the forum - similar topics - but not quite this one..

We're almost at September, and the New England fall and winter are almost upon me.

Through my first watercooling experiment, I found the heat dissipation coming off my rig - and particularly the rad to be quite significant. It certainly increased the room temperature - which was fine in the winter. Needless to say, it was a monster keeping it cool this summer - so as to not fry my fish in the adjascent fish tank as well (also a heat source).

So, I have electric heat - which is super expensive - and figured... let's dual purpose a PC to create the heat and do something positive at the same time. The positive would be crunching for BOINC constantly when not using the system as a HTPC.

So I have a plan and a question.

PLAN: Build a HTPC for downstairs - use that to heat the downstairs (relatively small area= 1/2 of a 2 family home). Worst case scenario I'd still have to put the heat on sometimes - best case scenario it will stay at a reasonable temperature all winter without having to use the actual heat (minus a couple REALLY cold days). I would accomplish the heat through the crunching by using all 4 cores at 95% constantly.

QUESTION: What do you think will create the most external heat (outside of my case)??? Would an air-cooled system with incredible venting? Or should I build another water loop with 2x120MM fans and rad????

Other variable worth noting: I'm thinking repurposing my 4870 (which definitely cranks out heat) to the HTPC would be much better for this heating purpose than using the onboard graphics - thereby allowing me to grab one of the 5800 series cards when they're out - and that would be in the new rig upstairs in my home office.

So what do you guys think???? Good plan?

System: Phenom II 550 BE@3.811 X2 UNLOCKED=X4 :)
CPU
AMD Phenom II X2 550 BE X4@3.811
Motherboard
MSI GD70 790FX AM3
Memory
4GB Ripjaw @1648 DDR3
Graphics Card
HIS HD 4890 1 GB 970/1000 for gaming
Hard Drive
2.85 TB's total in this rig - BLAM.
Sound Card
7.1 onboard
Power Supply
850 PSU - Rosewill, it aint bad
Case
Aspire, with open side
CPU cooling
Danger Den 1/2" block
GPU cooling
iCooler X4 - whatever that is?
OS
Vista, and Ubuntu - x64
Monitor
24" Samsung 1900x1200
Gill.. is offline Gill..'s Gallery   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-09   #2 (permalink)
Intel Overclocker
 
JerseyDubbin's Avatar
 
intel nvidia

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Dirty
Posts: 1,089

Rep: 63 JerseyDubbin is acknowledged by some
Unique Rep: 55
Trader Rating: 8
Default

I think an air cooled system with some HIGH cfm fans would heat the room quicker, more efficiently. The heat is dispersed throughout the entire rad and cools off quicker.

I only have experience with air cooling but i know it heats my room up very quickly.

System: C2D Fun
CPU
E6750 @ 3.6
Motherboard
ASUS P5N-E SLI 650i
Memory
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2 1000
Graphics Card
EVGA GTX260 216
Hard Drive
SAMSUNG SpinPoint 500GB
Sound Card
Onboard
Power Supply
corsair 750TX
Case
XION Onyx modded
CPU cooling
Megahalem Push/Pull
GPU cooling
Ghetto Modded
OS
Windows 7 x64, Ubuntu x64
Monitor
19in Hanns G
1 Million+ Folding at Home points
JerseyDubbin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-09   #3 (permalink)
"Directive"
 
rpm666's Avatar
 
intel ati

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Arlington, TX
Posts: 4,314

Rep: 372 rpm666 is a proven memberrpm666 is a proven memberrpm666 is a proven memberrpm666 is a proven member
Unique Rep: 281
Hardware Reviews: 3
Trader Rating: 19
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JerseyDubbin View Post
I think an air cooled system with some HIGH cfm fans would heat the room quicker, more efficiently. The heat is dispersed throughout the entire rad and cools off quicker.

I only have experience with air cooling but i know it heats my room up very quickly.
No.

Buy a handful of Swiftech 220 rads, a lot of cheap tubing, and a handful of 355 pumps. Route the tubing around your entire house stopping in each room to drop off a 220 rad.

OR, just setup your rads near, not on, your AC/Heat vents with decent 88CFM+ fans in push/pull.

WC each system in the house.
__________________
Intel:MainRig i7 920@4.62 1.39v/BloodRage/6GB DDR3@2000/HD4870X2
Intel:Secondary E7400@4.0 1.25v/DX38BT/4GB DDR3@1333/2XHD3870
AMD:HTPC 2400-BE/A7GM-S 2.0/2GB DDR2@855/HDMI

System: Wall-E
CPU
i7 920 D0 @ 4.45 - 1.28 HT on
Motherboard
Foxconn BloodRage X58
Memory
6GB G-Skill RipJaws DDR3-2000
Graphics Card
HD4870X2
Hard Drive
[RAID0][2x]250GB 16MB 7200RPM
Power Supply
Antec 1000W Quattro
Case
Custom Wallhanger - see sig
CPU cooling
Apogee GTZ+2xMCR320 Rads 2x355's
GPU cooling
XSPC Razor Full Coverage
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
Monitor
[2x] 22" LG LCD 10,000:1 Contrast

Last edited by rpm666 : 08-28-09 at 03:28 PM
rpm666 is offline Overclocked Account   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-09   #4 (permalink)
Overclocker
 
Darkknight512's Avatar
 
intel ati

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posts: 1,584

Rep: 142 Darkknight512 is acknowledged by manyDarkknight512 is acknowledged by many
Unique Rep: 118
Trader Rating: 0
Default

It doesn't matter, 100 watts is 100 watts however you dissipate it. If you mean get the air outta the case, cheaper way is air coolers with the case open, air flows right out.

System: X-Caliber
CPU
Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 @3.0 Ghz
Motherboard
Gigabyte P35 DS3L
Memory
3gb 533 mhz DDR2 (Dual Channel) @560 Mhz
Graphics Card
ATI Radeon HD3850 512MB 720/950
Hard Drive
160 Hitachi HDD
Sound Card
Intergrated 5.1 Audio (Realtek ACL888)
Power Supply
460 watt Coolermaster
Case
Coolermaster Elite
CPU cooling
Stock (MX-2)
GPU cooling
Stock - (Fan Speed [%] = Temp [C]) - Load 70C
OS
Windows Vista - Ultimate (x86)
Monitor
LG E700B 17" CRT
Darkknight512 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-09   #5 (permalink)
WaterCooler
 
Gill..'s Avatar
 
amd ati

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Woburn, MA - Soxnation
Posts: 838

Rep: 68 Gill.. is acknowledged by some
Unique Rep: 60
Trader Rating: 1
Default

Thanks, didn't even consider the heat loss within the rad..

However, seeing as you haven't water cooled...the water itself is what is hot, and hence it heats up the rad - which is much larger than a standard or aftermarket cooler...

so while it might not get AS hot as those pieces of metal - it's still pretty hot... and the air in the fans pushing through the rad should be ambient temp anyways - pushing the hot air from the rad - right into the room (increasing ambient)...

I'm thinking it would add a dopplar effect to the heat...higher ambients trying on the same hot rad...

ps... just accidentally unsubscribed from my own thread - hope this re-subscribes me

System: Phenom II 550 BE@3.811 X2 UNLOCKED=X4 :)
CPU
AMD Phenom II X2 550 BE X4@3.811
Motherboard
MSI GD70 790FX AM3
Memory
4GB Ripjaw @1648 DDR3
Graphics Card
HIS HD 4890 1 GB 970/1000 for gaming
Hard Drive
2.85 TB's total in this rig - BLAM.
Sound Card
7.1 onboard
Power Supply
850 PSU - Rosewill, it aint bad
Case
Aspire, with open side
CPU cooling
Danger Den 1/2" block
GPU cooling
iCooler X4 - whatever that is?
OS
Vista, and Ubuntu - x64
Monitor
24" Samsung 1900x1200
Gill.. is offline Gill..'s Gallery   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-09   #6 (permalink)
WaterCooler
 
Gill..'s Avatar
 
amd ati

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Woburn, MA - Soxnation
Posts: 838

Rep: 68 Gill.. is acknowledged by some
Unique Rep: 60
Trader Rating: 1
Default

decent plan rpm... but too much... think of this as a space heater - single unit just pushing out heat into the room....

System: Phenom II 550 BE@3.811 X2 UNLOCKED=X4 :)
CPU
AMD Phenom II X2 550 BE X4@3.811
Motherboard
MSI GD70 790FX AM3
Memory
4GB Ripjaw @1648 DDR3
Graphics Card
HIS HD 4890 1 GB 970/1000 for gaming
Hard Drive
2.85 TB's total in this rig - BLAM.
Sound Card
7.1 onboard
Power Supply
850 PSU - Rosewill, it aint bad
Case
Aspire, with open side
CPU cooling
Danger Den 1/2" block
GPU cooling
iCooler X4 - whatever that is?
OS
Vista, and Ubuntu - x64
Monitor
24" Samsung 1900x1200
Gill.. is offline Gill..'s Gallery   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-09   #7 (permalink)
WaterCooler
 
Gill..'s Avatar
 
amd ati

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Woburn, MA - Soxnation
Posts: 838

Rep: 68 Gill.. is acknowledged by some
Unique Rep: 60
Trader Rating: 1
Default

and to dark - also thanks, but again the point of the thread is what do you think will provide the best dual purpose use where I won't lose it inside the case...

in your example - with that 100 watts... what in your opinion is better to toss it into the room, a rad on back - or air with decent vents

System: Phenom II 550 BE@3.811 X2 UNLOCKED=X4 :)
CPU
AMD Phenom II X2 550 BE X4@3.811
Motherboard
MSI GD70 790FX AM3
Memory
4GB Ripjaw @1648 DDR3
Graphics Card
HIS HD 4890 1 GB 970/1000 for gaming
Hard Drive
2.85 TB's total in this rig - BLAM.
Sound Card
7.1 onboard
Power Supply
850 PSU - Rosewill, it aint bad
Case
Aspire, with open side
CPU cooling
Danger Den 1/2" block
GPU cooling
iCooler X4 - whatever that is?
OS
Vista, and Ubuntu - x64
Monitor
24" Samsung 1900x1200
Gill.. is offline Gill..'s Gallery   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-09   #8 (permalink)
"Directive"
 
rpm666's Avatar
 
intel ati

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Arlington, TX
Posts: 4,314

Rep: 372 rpm666 is a proven memberrpm666 is a proven memberrpm666 is a proven memberrpm666 is a proven member
Unique Rep: 281
Hardware Reviews: 3
Trader Rating: 19
Default

Watercooling removes the heat more efficiently from the system, and you can AIM a rad - try aiming a heatsink fan lol
__________________
Intel:MainRig i7 920@4.62 1.39v/BloodRage/6GB DDR3@2000/HD4870X2
Intel:Secondary E7400@4.0 1.25v/DX38BT/4GB DDR3@1333/2XHD3870
AMD:HTPC 2400-BE/A7GM-S 2.0/2GB DDR2@855/HDMI

System: Wall-E
CPU
i7 920 D0 @ 4.45 - 1.28 HT on
Motherboard
Foxconn BloodRage X58
Memory
6GB G-Skill RipJaws DDR3-2000
Graphics Card
HD4870X2
Hard Drive
[RAID0][2x]250GB 16MB 7200RPM
Power Supply
Antec 1000W Quattro
Case
Custom Wallhanger - see sig
CPU cooling
Apogee GTZ+2xMCR320 Rads 2x355's
GPU cooling
XSPC Razor Full Coverage
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
Monitor
[2x] 22" LG LCD 10,000:1 Contrast
rpm666 is offline Overclocked Account   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-09   #9 (permalink)
WaterCooler
 
RAND0M1ZER's Avatar
 
intel nvidia

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Toronto
Posts: 861

Rep: 52 RAND0M1ZER is acknowledged by some
Unique Rep: 48
Trader Rating: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkknight512 View Post
It doesn't matter, 100 watts is 100 watts however you dissipate it. If you mean get the air outta the case, cheaper way is air coolers with the case open, air flows right out.
Exactly... I doesn't matter how you cool it, the heat will still disperse itself through out your room.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by gbyss View Post
at first glance i thought he was gonna have 932 pictures of his system

System: HAF to HAF it!
CPU
Q6700
Motherboard
EVGA 780i
Memory
OCZ HPC DDR2-1066 (2 x 2gb)
Graphics Card
BFG GTX 275 OC
Hard Drive
Seagate 500gb 7200.11
Power Supply
Zalman 850w Modular
Case
Coolermaster HAF 932
CPU cooling
Swiftech Apogee GTZ Waterblock
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate RC1 (Build 7100)
Monitor
Samsung 19" 920NW
RAND0M1ZER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-09   #10 (permalink)
WaterCooler
 
Gill..'s Avatar
 
amd ati

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Woburn, MA - Soxnation
Posts: 838

Rep: 68 Gill.. is acknowledged by some
Unique Rep: 60
Trader Rating: 1
Default

so we're at - open case or an aimed rad...but both will essentially dual purpose the same wattage due to energy never being lost or destroyed - just changed in form....

AND if that does seem to be the case, air is definitely cheaper - but water would be quieter...but I'm not too keen on having an open case in that room with my 1.5 year old daughter who I'm modding the case for anyways (she would definitely try touching the heatsinks etc) OR pull plugs...

pulling USB's out are one of her more favorite activities

System: Phenom II 550 BE@3.811 X2 UNLOCKED=X4 :)
CPU
AMD Phenom II X2 550 BE X4@3.811
Motherboard
MSI GD70 790FX AM3
Memory
4GB Ripjaw @1648 DDR3
Graphics Card
HIS HD 4890 1 GB 970/1000 for gaming
Hard Drive
2.85 TB's total in this rig - BLAM.
Sound Card
7.1 onboard
Power Supply
850 PSU - Rosewill, it aint bad
Case
Aspire, with open side
CPU cooling
Danger Den 1/2" block
GPU cooling
iCooler X4 - whatever that is?
OS
Vista, and Ubuntu - x64
Monitor
24" Samsung 1900x1200

Last edited by Gill.. : 08-28-09 at 03:47 PM
Gill.. is offline Gill..'s Gallery   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:44 AM.


Overclock.net is a Carbon Neutral Site Creative Commons License

Terms of Service / Forum Rules | Privacy Policy | DMCA Info | Advertising | Become an Official Vendor
Copyright © 2009 Shogun Interactive Development. Most rights reserved.
Page generated in 0.14618 seconds with 8 queries