http://www.overclock.net/ en Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:35:43 GMT vBulletin 1 http://static.overclock.net/images/oc/misc/rss.jpg http://www.overclock.net/ http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/612981-old-rig-wont-start.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:04:16 GMT As the title says, I put back together my old amd rig and it won't start.

The thing is, the fans and HDD's start spinning and starting but I get no video. I know the video card works cause I'm using the one in my current computer to see if my old rig would start up.

Could it be that the CPU is actually dead? Would that cause the computer to start yet eventually shut it self off, gnerally 10-45 seconds after I hit the power button. ]]> AMD - General Gurr http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/612981-old-rig-wont-start.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/612916-few-questions-am3-gigabyte.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:53:20 GMT My rig is up for trade as I'm bored of Intel now and want to jump on the AMD wagon :)

So a few questions :

Is AM3 compatible with AMD's 6 cores chips?? ( They are making 6 core chips right? )

Can Gigabyte motherboards unlock chip features like locked cores and cache?

Oh and my board, RAM and CPU are up for trade, anyone interested PM me :) ]]> AMD - General almighty15 http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/612916-few-questions-am3-gigabyte.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/612889-my-psu-p2-955-a.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:07:54 GMT Sorry for all these annoying threads recently guys, ive not been into the scene for a while so im just trying to get everything sorted as cheap as poss. The 955 and new board will be here on monday I held back on upgrading the gpu untill id sorted my cpu out. Anyway, my cheapy ez cool psu... Sorry for all these annoying threads recently guys, ive not been into the scene for a while so im just trying to get everything sorted as cheap as poss.

The 955 and new board will be here on monday

I held back on upgrading the gpu untill id sorted my cpu out.

Anyway, my cheapy ez cool psu has got 2 18amp 12v rails. and 38amp on the 5v. 36amp on 3.3v

Will this be enough to run the 955 with a mild overclock to about 3.5ghz (i doubt voltage will need to be increased) along with a radeon 3870?

Ill be getting a new psu and a 5770 in the new year. ]]> AMD - General sonicmat http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/612889-my-psu-p2-955-a.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/612833-very-cheap-pc-nothing-special.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:53:33 GMT Hi Overclockers.

I was thinking about getting a new PC to replace this old junk heep,but i haven't got a whole lot of money,but i DO got a Monitor and a Copy of Windows XP SP2 so that'll chip off quite a bit of cash.

What i need:
CPU.
Motherboard.
Video Card.
RAM.
Power Supply.
DVD Burner.
Hard Drive.
Cheapie USB Keyboard and Mouse (Not sure if i have a spare keyboard and mouse somewhere)
Case.

Budget: Could it be done with no more than $400? Keep in mind i don't play anything Remotely demanding as Crysis or whatever is the most demanding/poorly optimized game out today.

Having good future upgradeability and decent OCing capability would be nice,but i'll take a stable box before a fried/busted one. ]]> AMD - General End of The World http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/612833-very-cheap-pc-nothing-special.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/612687-help-4-sticks-memory.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:20:37 GMT Is it possible the run 4 sticks of DDR3 1600 in a giga-byte mobo. Just check because the mobo support DDR3 1600 and I can't get it stable. I try setting timing in auto , manual and ocing it and at 1.9v like OCZ says too. ]]> AMD - General dixson01974 http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/612687-help-4-sticks-memory.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/612586-just-ordered-my-new-computer-today.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:13:45 GMT Just wanted to give a big thank you to the many many people who answered all my questions and helped me decide on the parts for my system. It took me 2 months and about 100 posts but i managed to make a decision finally, not quite done yet, i am planning on adding a SSD, a new keyboard and a few... Just wanted to give a big thank you to the many many people who answered all my questions and helped me decide on the parts for my system.

It took me 2 months and about 100 posts but i managed to make a decision finally, not quite done yet, i am planning on adding a SSD, a new keyboard and a few other things so i am sure i am not done pestering you just all just yet!

So thanks again! ]]> AMD - General BounouGod http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/612586-just-ordered-my-new-computer-today.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/612393-my-first-build.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:47:19 GMT This is my first ever builind a computer. I'm building mostly for gaming. I'm trying to make it under $700, and this is what I came up with (with all the mail- in rebates and combos):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103674
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130223
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227495
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811517007
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817182160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136109
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827118031
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125285

Please tell me what I can do to improve it. Thanks in advance (and sorry if I posted this in the wrong forum). ]]> AMD - General ZeHobo http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/612393-my-first-build.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/612197-mb-ram-overclock-ms-7125-a.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:27:09 GMT Hi Overclock.net I'm new here and somewhat new to overclocking. I've tried to do alot of my own tweaking over the past year or so based on what I've read from all of the helpful guides people have posted. It seems like I've hit a wall though, and I need some help from some of you experts.

One note about my RAM. Originally I had 2GB of DDR400 dual channel memory. For some reason, I lost my dual channel and speed one day with one of the RAM sticks, and my computer wouldn't boot up without it, telling me there was a corrupt system file. I went out and bought another stick of DDR400 1GB, and got my dual channel and 400 speed back. I also grabbed some RAM out of my friends old unused computer since it was DDR400 Dual Channel and installed it, even though it only brought me up .5GB. Not sure if that's important.

Anyway, I'm reading all of these posts about people overclocking older AMD dual cores pretty high. I on the other hand, can't seem to overclock mine well, not even past 2.2GHz will it completely boot without BSOD regardless of how much I play with the voltage or anything. Also, RAM timings confuse me heavily. My CPU temp is low too. I could really use to be schooled on things to mess with further, timings to try, diagnostics to run, etc.




A few notes about some current BIOS settings:
Current FSB: 210 (200 is Factory)
Extra CPU Voltage: 3.3% ]]> AMD - General Nameless_ http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/612197-mb-ram-overclock-ms-7125-a.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/612087-going.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:34:52 GMT Ok so ealier today my computer was running great no problems at all, then when I boot it back up the sound isnt working system restore wont start up, when I do it manually it wont complete it gives me an error saying it could not restore to any previous point at all, I am unable to use the win7... Ok so ealier today my computer was running great no problems at all, then when I boot it back up the sound isnt working system restore wont start up, when I do it manually it wont complete it gives me an error saying it could not restore to any previous point at all, I am unable to use the win7 search to find anything at all on the windows start button, I tried doing a file repair with my upgrade disk and that didnt work the install wouldnt finish it gave me an error, this all happend after installing the heaven benchmark. The first time I used it everything was fine then the second time I did it which was later on in the day the sound wasnt working but I didnt think anything of it and I turned off my computer, and like I said ealier I turned back on and it started giving me problems. I did a virus scan and got nothing so im pretty sure thats not the cause. Things I have tried doing to fix the problem is:

system restore - didnt work
repair install - couldnt finish for an unknown reason
currently doing a chkdsk which I dont think its ganna find anything bad

the last thing I wanna do is a fresh install, but if it comes down to it I can. :/ ]]> AMD - General Freezen http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/612087-going.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611997-amd-945-overclocking.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:16:18 GMT Anyone share there overclocking experience with the 945 cpu with a 790 Chipset? Motherboard ASUS M4A79XTD EVO Anyone share there overclocking experience with the 945 cpu with a 790 Chipset?

Motherboard
ASUS M4A79XTD EVO ]]> AMD - General Chicago30 http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611997-amd-945-overclocking.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611991-what-upgrade-next-c3-965-am3.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:12:05 GMT See my system specs in my sig. I'm doing another major upgrade of my system. I'm most likely getting a C3 Phenom II 965, A Lian LI (Lancool) PC-K62 case, and a 5870. (Although the latter won't happen until the shortage ceases) Anyhow, I'm having second thoughts regarding the CPU. What would be a bigger performance boost; the C3 965 or investing in a good AM3 mobo/DDR3 ram?

My current mobo is the MA770-UD3 with the SB700 so it's likely it may hold me back which is why I ask. ]]> AMD - General sgr215 http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611991-what-upgrade-next-c3-965-am3.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611984-comp-better-than-mine.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:01:07 GMT http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/sys/1466490028.html http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/sys/1466490028.html ]]> AMD - General KEITHRH12 http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611984-comp-better-than-mine.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611956-building-new-system.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:16:06 GMT my plan is to build a new system at the end of the school year(april/may). just thinking about what kind of stuff is going to be out by then in terms of cpu...my plan is about 8-12 gigs of ram with apparently some kind of 6 core cpu and some ATI card... anything special that anyone knows of that... my plan is to build a new system at the end of the school year(april/may). just thinking about what kind of stuff is going to be out by then in terms of cpu...my plan is about 8-12 gigs of ram with apparently some kind of 6 core cpu and some ATI card... anything special that anyone knows of that will be wicked? ]]> AMD - General blackspirerider http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611956-building-new-system.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611861-500-600-budget-pc.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:51:50 GMT Hey everyone at overclock.net!

I've got a newbie friend that is looking for some help on making a $500-600 dollar gaming PC. I told him to go with AMD at this point because it's the best with such a budget as his. Can anyone help with this? Help is very much appreciated. :) ]]> AMD - General Camaro5 http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611861-500-600-budget-pc.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611828-shooting-4-3ghz.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:01:39 GMT Alright, so right now, I am running at 4.0Ghz @ 1.40V (after droop). I stressed it for 9 hours and woke up to a computer still running and passing on Prime95.

Now, I want to shoot for 4.3Ghz. The question is, I don't know how many volts I need to adjust to. My CPU is a Phenom II x4 965BE (C3). I just tried it twice. The first time at (after droop) 1.45V and 1.5V. Both times it failed the stress instantly. I don't know if I want to keep upping the volts. I'm still pretty new to this. Any information on my system is found in my sig. If you need any other information, ask and I will post. ]]> AMD - General Formula7 http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611828-shooting-4-3ghz.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611826-need-mobo-cpu-ram-build-suggestion.html Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:59:03 GMT my cousin is complaining about his computer being very slow now. his father doesn't want to spend much to upgrade so can someone give a recommendation build of a mobo,ram,cpu.

he is currently running
-cpu amd 3200 (something like that, can't remember the name)
-cheap hp mobo socket 939 i think, its one of the old kinds
-ram (it was either 512mb or 1gb)

His activities
-internet browsing
-internet gaming web browser type
-streaming youtube videos
-general use (he is a kid, so his father is paying and doesn't want a costly upgrade, just something to get him happy and i will do the building)


just post some recommendations in different price ranges. both amd or intel is welcome. ]]> AMD - General Bobobearx http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611826-need-mobo-cpu-ram-build-suggestion.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611782-i-think-my-mobo-dead.html Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:46:41 GMT So this morning, I turned my computer on and everything went normal until i closed the front door of my computer case with a little bit of force. My computer locked up, so I did a force restart. But after I hit the restart button, nothing happened; my computer screen stayed black and didn't go through the POST or anything. I turned my comp off, turned it back on, then the same happened. I opened up my comp to check for any loose components, then tried turning it on. The BIOS screen appeared, but then it froze yet again. One more restart, and again, black screen. It seemed that the longer i waited before turning it on, the farther it would go without it locking up. I called up my friend and asked him what I should do, and he told me to take out the mobo battery for 5 min to set my overclock settings to default and then turning it on. I did this, and this time when the POST appeared, I got "CMOS Checksum error - Defaults restored... Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter setup". No matter which one I pick, it just goes to a black screen with a blinking cursor in the top left corner of the screen and just hangs there. Is my mobo essentially totalled? I need to upgrade my computer badly anyways, but I was wondering if there are possibly any fixes for this until I can get my hands on a new comp... Thanks in advance! ]]> AMD - General ChinMusic http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611782-i-think-my-mobo-dead.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611728-amd-athlonxp-machine-problem.html Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:00:26 GMT Hi Everyone, Recently my AthlonXP machine i use for my Dad and Brother decided to stop working. it will turn on and display both the power LED and HDD LED without going into a POST or a OS. There are no Post beeps at all. The monitor displays a no signal message. so far i have tried the... Hi Everyone,

Recently my AthlonXP machine i use for my Dad and Brother decided to stop working.
it will turn on and display both the power LED and HDD LED without going into a POST or a OS. There are no Post beeps at all. The monitor displays a no signal message.

so far i have tried the monitor by plugging VGA cable into a VGA out on the laptop which worked, ruling out the monitor as the problem.
replaced all 3 sticks of 512mb ram.
replaced GFX card.
replaced PSU.
Cleared CMOS

is there anything i am missing? if it was the CD/DVDRW or HDD this would be displayed as an error on post? i am going to try this anyway as i have some spares but i couldn't see that the issue.

anyone else any other ideas? appricated all help recieved.
thanks

Anjokid ]]> AMD - General anjokid http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611728-amd-athlonxp-machine-problem.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611724-upgrade-am3-ddr3.html Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:54:22 GMT I'm debating if it'd be useful to upgrade my AM2/AM2+ board to AM3 and getting 4gb of DDR3 memory. I know the PH2 X3s are AM3 capable and can support DDR3-1333 ram, but would it be worth it in the long run when, say, Bulldozer is released?

Going from this newegg list of AM3 motherboards that support DDR3-1333 with a AMD NB, which would offer the best overclocking ability with 4 gigs of DDR3 (as well as a recommendation)? Crossfire capability is preferred, but not required. ]]> AMD - General Decade http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611724-upgrade-am3-ddr3.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611722-does-p2-955-black-come-heatsink.html Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:46:45 GMT I remember when amd first released the black editions they didnt come with a heatsink, is this still the case? As i think ive finally convinced my mum to buy it me but shel not buy me a heatsink etc aswel. New motherboard has also been dispatched cant wait. Also the 955 im looking at here... I remember when amd first released the black editions they didnt come with a heatsink, is this still the case? As i think ive finally convinced my mum to buy it me but shel not buy me a heatsink etc aswel.

New motherboard has also been dispatched cant wait.

Also the 955 im looking at here http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=CP-244-AM claims it comes with a full version of dirt 2?! Anybody else bought this to confirm, its not even out yet lol. ]]> AMD - General sonicmat http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611722-does-p2-955-black-come-heatsink.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611115-weird-underclocking-problem.html Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:18:51 GMT Hi guys & gals,

So installed my new 965, and was setting up for a simple OC. So went into BIOS, decreased CPU multiplier to lowest, decreased HT multiplier to lowest, and rebooted... and the system freezes on XP startup (blue scrollbar)!
I didn't touch anything else but the CPU multi and HT multi, so I'm a bit confused.
Anybody have any clue as to why this would happen?
(system specs in sig) ]]> AMD - General opopanax666 http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611115-weird-underclocking-problem.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611054-athlon-ii-x4-620-phenom-ii.html Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:36:06 GMT This is a build for my girlfriend and I'm trying to figure out what to get. All she really does is play flash games but she might start playing team fortress 2 with me. I have a ati 4670 to put in this system so I'm not worried about graphics. Just wondering about the processor.

This computer will also serve as a htpc computer to stream video off the internet/play dvd movies. Thanks for any help.

The board I'm getting right now is a MSI 785GM-E65 AM3. Not sure on the ram yet. Probably just getting 2gb. ]]> AMD - General dham http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/611054-athlon-ii-x4-620-phenom-ii.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/610952-critique-build-top-end-phenom-ii.html Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:22:18 GMT I have spent hours checking and rechecking the exact build I need for my upcoming gaming rig overhaul.

I looked at the Phenom II X4 965 and am not totally sold on the extra cost versus the real world FPS gain when compared to the 955. If you have a differing opinion, please don’t hesitate to state why.

Here is my current build. Cost really isn’t an issue, but spending $100 more for 5 more FPS is frivolous IMHO. With that in mind I chose the most powerful components (in my estimation) that money can buy.

• AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ955FBGIBOX - Retail

• MSI 790FX-GD70 AM3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

• Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 996601 - Retail (CAS:7/Timing:7-7-6-18)

Please let me know what you guys think. ]]> AMD - General Caedis http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/610952-critique-build-top-end-phenom-ii.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/610940-just-recieved-my-asus-m4a79xtd.html Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:33:55 GMT just got it in the mail, wish me luck with unlocking the 4th core in my phenom ii x3 720 be just got it in the mail, wish me luck with unlocking the 4th core in my phenom ii x3 720 be ]]> AMD - General gnesbitt http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/610940-just-recieved-my-asus-m4a79xtd.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/610760-what-can-i-upgarde.html Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:57:48 GMT to be my last upgrade on the rig?!?!?! to be my last upgrade on the rig?!?!?! ]]> AMD - General KEITHRH12 http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/610760-what-can-i-upgarde.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/610759-quad-core-mobo-4gb-memory-450-a.html Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:56:19 GMT Looking for some recommendations on what CPU/Mobo to get for my brother.

We'll finally be getting him off AGP! :doh:

I've built quite a few Intel systems but this will be my first AMD build.

Looks like 790 and 785 are the choices from AMD

I used Gigabyte boards on my intel builds and I've been really happy with all of them. I've had bad reliability luck with ASUS and very poor overclocking from MSI. Can anyone fill me in one what brands and what models from those brands are worth looking at?

Here's just what I'd pick based on a glance at Newegg. Let me know if I'm off base here.

Board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128378

Whats the difference between these two CPUs?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103696

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103471

And why pick one over the other? Looks like the higher TDP/lower Hypertransport chip is also AM2+ so I'm guessing one is older than the other?

RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231193

Comes to 385-ish, if I were to spend more I think it would be on a more preferred motherboard or possibly to bump up to the 955 3.2Ghz black edition. The rest would go into a cooler for the CPU. ]]> AMD - General citat3962 http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/610759-quad-core-mobo-4gb-memory-450-a.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/610726-new-build.html Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:51:44 GMT Hey guys, im going to UNI next year so i decided that i should upgrade. Here is what im looking at right now. AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Gigabyte GA-MA790XT-UD4P Motherboard Kingston HyperX KHX1600C8D3T1K2 (2x2GB) DDR3 XFX Radeon HD5770 1GB CoolerMaster Silent Pro M850 CoolerMaster... Hey guys, im going to UNI next year so i decided that i should upgrade. Here is what im looking at right now.

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition
Gigabyte GA-MA790XT-UD4P Motherboard
Kingston HyperX KHX1600C8D3T1K2 (2x2GB) DDR3
XFX Radeon HD5770 1GB
CoolerMaster Silent Pro M850
CoolerMaster CM Storm Scout
Samsung SH-S223B DVDRW
Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB HD103SJ
Logitech G5
BenQ G2220HD 22in Widescreen LCD Monitor

I would be grateful to hear some feedback on this.

Thanks. ]]> AMD - General dunnybasher http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/610726-new-build.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/610696-upping-voltage.html Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:04:10 GMT I've overclocked my AMD 7750 to a stable 3.1GHz but 3.2GHz is unstable - it's the regular (not black) edition. Stock speed is 2.7 and I'm quite proud of my first overclock ;)

Blackbox says the CPU voltage is 1.31v. Is this always the same, or does it increase and decrease according to CPU usage? What sort of increment should I increase the voltage by? 1.32v? 1.35v? 1.4v?

From what I gather (and I have read what I can find on Google, here etc) OCing is pretty safe until you start messing with voltages, then it can all go wrong, in an expensive stylee!

Should I be happy with 3.1GHz and quit while I'm ahead - although that doesn't sound like the Overclock.net way ;)

What's a good start for upping the voltage?

The only reports of overclocked 7750s I can find are for the black edition.

Thanks a lot,

Mike ]]> AMD - General makecoldplayhistory http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/610696-upping-voltage.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/610562-new-build-advice.html Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:22:57 GMT Hi All, 1st post here. from lurking it looks like you guys are the experts on AMD so I am wondering if I screwed up in my selection of parts to put together a new box. heres what I orderd, any opinions are appreciated. CPU - AMD phenom II 955 BE MB - Gigabyte MA785GT-UD3H Ram - G Skill 2x2MB... Hi All, 1st post here. from lurking it looks like you guys are the experts on AMD so I am wondering if I screwed up in my selection of parts to put together a new box. heres what I orderd, any opinions are appreciated.

CPU - AMD phenom II 955 BE
MB - Gigabyte MA785GT-UD3H
Ram - G Skill 2x2MB DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) F3-10600CL8D-4GBHK 8-8-8-21
Case - Raidmax Smilodan (Blue) w/500W PS

I will reuse HD and other stuff from my dying PC for now. I was going to get the DDR 1600 (9-9-9-24) until I read on Toms that the increase wasn't all that beneficial but it is the same $$. I figured the 8-8-8-21 timing would be better but I see the MB specs the 1600 ram.

Will I need a cooler for this setup?
Any problems you see?

thanks ]]> AMD - General Syberclocker http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/610562-new-build-advice.html http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/610551-720-x3-620-x4.html Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:59:50 GMT Bare in mind these will be run on stock cooler for a pretty hefty chunk of time until i run into money which willl probably be tax refund time. I want to know which one of these will give me higher performance, higher FPS in games and all around better use. I have a gigabyte board so the... Bare in mind these will be run on stock cooler for a pretty hefty chunk of time until i run into money which willl probably be tax refund time.

I want to know which one of these will give me higher performance, higher FPS in games and all around better use.

I have a gigabyte board so the possibility of unlocking the 4th core in the x3 is tempting but it's a long shot to bank on isn't it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103649

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103706 ]]> AMD - General BigpoppaFrary http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/610551-720-x3-620-x4.html