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It's whole forcing the plastic cap thing that has me concerned. If I apply to much force and break it too much then I'll have to get a new fan. mad.gif
Yea i know what you mean, and they're not cheap either lol.

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They most likely tested the H100 with intake fans, wich kinda f's up the airflow. Just something to consider.

So you think the difference is greater between the H100 and SB-E Extreme? What would you say the difference is, and have you reviewed the SB-E Extreme yet?
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Has anyone seen this new review from Vortez of the SB-E extreme? Pretty good performance, I'm pretty disappointed that it doesn't beat the H100 though...
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So you think the difference is greater between the H100 and SB-E Extreme? What would you say the difference is.

I have not got my ty-143 fans yet, or used the H100, but from all my reading research and the reviews/results of other arrow coolers, I would say these coolers are practically the same in cpu cooling performance. Case/fan config will surely affect results between the two but with intake fans, the H100 is probably slightly better in most situations. However with intake fans on the H100 other components may suffer and overall temps might be worse off.
With good case airflow to feed air to the 2500rpm fans on the extreme, or good direction of air to the cooler, maybe the extreme would beat out the H100 with outtake fans, or at least perform closer to it.
The fan setup in that test rig in the review is probably not ideal for the sb-e extreme.

Its really down to personal choice and setup between the better air coolers and H100/H80. I like the sb-e as i have front to rear airflow, no room for a 2x120rad, don't want to deal with the possible extra noise of a pump, have had good luck with thermalright coolers before and have hot vrms that appreciate the extra airflow.

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What i'm saying is that Most of these Tests naturally favor the H100 imo.
100% CPU Load, no GPU Load and intake Fans.

But a normal Load Situation for Most users looks more like this:

80% CPU Load, 80% GPU Load.

Now with the intake Fans on the H100 the GPU temps will go significantly up compared to a Tower cooler if we use a normal ATX case Design.
With exhaust Fans on the H100 the CPU temps will be higher.

So the Testssetup Most Reviews use is basically the best possible scenario for the H100. It obviouslY would be impossible to test them in all kinds of differen Air flow situations, GPU loads etc, but IMO you have at least to Test it with intake AND exhaust Fans.

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In a open test bench, the SBE-Extreme came 7 DEGREES better than the H100..

here is the video proof:

in theory the "noise" its about the same, but the H100 fans have a more "annoying" sound (just from all the videos i saw, dont know IRL about the TY 143)


Its all about the airflow configuration man.. and the SA extreme have the potential to beat any CLC around.. hell, I can bet whatever you want it can get closer easily to custom loops if you use Liquid Ultra and the proper airflow config (not the crazy big ass rad setups) thumb.gif

air cooling FTW
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They most likely tested the H100 with intake fans, wich kinda f's up the airflow. Just something to consider.

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What i'm saying is that Most of these Tests naturally favor the H100 imo.
100% CPU Load, no GPU Load and intake Fans.
But a normal Load Situation for Most users looks more like this:
80% CPU Load, 80% GPU Load.
Now with the intake Fans on the H100 the GPU temps will go significantly up compared to a Tower cooler if we use a normal ATX case Design.
With exhaust Fans on the H100 the CPU temps will be higher.
So the Testssetup Most Reviews use is basically the best possible scenario for the H100. It obviouslY would be impossible to test them in all kinds of differen Air flow situations, GPU loads etc, but IMO you have at least to Test it with intake AND exhaust Fans.
Yes, testing definitely favored H100

The H100 was mounted in top blowing out, The problem is there were only 2x 120mm intake fans in front of case for all tests. H100 mounted in top pushed it's heated exhaust directly out of case, but when testing air coolers they were dumping their heated exhaust inside of case and only 1 120mm fan in back to pull that heat out.. and that single exhaust fan cannot move anywhere near as much air as air coolers do at full speed.. And the 2x 120mm front intakes have HDD cage blocking one and case front blocking airflow so not a lot of good clean flow going on in the case.

Airflow was so bad that the H100 completely failed passive cooler. wink.gif

Carbide 500R was probably 10c or more hotter than ambient with air coolers being tested. That means 10c or more high CPU temps. wink.gif

Was discussed in a thread on OcUK forum with questions answered by reviewer.

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The H100 was mounted in top blowing out, .

where did you find this info?

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where did you find this info?

Reviewer answered me on OcUK forum. I've added to my above post too.

You have PM with link to thread

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thanks. tell him that he should mention things like this under "testing procedures"

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I assume the H100 was mounted in in the top?


Due to UP4 heatsinks the radiator had to sit inside the top cavity, whilst the fans were installed at the top but on the inside of the case.

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post-flame-small.gif1. Controling PWM Case Fans post-flame-small.gif2. Optimizing Case Cooling post-flame-small.gif3. Cooler Size Comparison & Cooling Comparison
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=i7 980 @ 3.55GHz =PH-TC14PE w/2x TY-143 fans =Crucial Ballistix 3x4GB =GA-X58A-UD5 =ASUS GTX580 DirectCU II =Enermax Modu84+ =Define R2 w/3x TY-140 case intake fans; all PWM controlled by CPU fan socket
Phanteks Enthoo Primo MoBo Rampage III Extreme CPU i7 980xCooler R1 Ultimate w/ TY-147A fans RAM Dominator GT 6x2GB GPU ENGTX580 DCUII PSU Corsair TX850 Case [/COLOR]Phanteks Enthoo PrimoBase custom caster base
=i7 980X @ 4.0GHz =R1 Ultimate w/2x TY-143 fans =Dominator GT 6x2GB =Rampage III Extreme =ASUS GTX580 DirectCU II =TX850 =Enthoo Primo w/ custom castor base
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