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The opposite is also true, since AMD has already shown their hand, if the 1060 comes out faster, with better power consumption and a potentially cheaper price with AMD having already shown it's hand, its game over for AMD in this segment.

I dont see nvidia making it cheaper if its faster. No way in hell.


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I dont see nvidia making it cheaper if its faster. No way in hell.

Exactly, it's going to be the same as every other X60 card, a pile of junk that is enough to do well in benchmarks at the time and becomes obsolete far quicker than it's AMD rival.

Nvidia do it every generation, and the same fools keep buying them.........'but it uses less power' LOL
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So enthusiasts actually believe that buying any X60 card from Nvidia over the past few generations has ever been a good investment?

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RX 480 is the perfect card for your friend. You do not have to recommend X60 Nvidia GPUs anymore. Yes 960 was terrible but it sold so....

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Exactly, it's going to be the same as every other X60 card, a pile of junk that is enough to do well in benchmarks at the time and becomes obsolete far quicker than it's AMD rival.

Nvidia do it every generation, and the same fools keep buying them.........'but it uses less power' LOL

If people are lucky they will only charge them $50 more for the founders edition.

Gotta pay for the privilege of using a reference founder edition.


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RX 480 is the perfect card for your friend. You do not have to recommend X60 Nvidia GPUs anymore. Yes 960 was terrible but it sold so....

Exactly, all X60 cards were crap (560/760/960), we all know it, yet people are stomping the AMD into the gutter because of power consumption.

In other words telling people to buy a 1060 instead. The nvidia option will be expensive, and under powered over time.

Enthusiasts claim to want a more fair market and competition, but they won't get behind the underdog even when they should.

If everyone trolls them all over the net, what are the mainstream buyers going to do? Buy X60 all over again.

Sure the X60 will do them fine, but so would the 480, and we need AMD to get marketshare.

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Made it almost 1/4 through all the replies. Without reading the rest of it, I just have one question for everyone. Why is it so disappointing that it was expected to have 980 performance but instead has closer to 970 performance? The 980 is at best 15% faster than the 970. Wow. Big woop.

Did everyone just conveniently forget that this is the approximate truth: 980>290X>970>290? But the real kicker? The 980 is barely faster than the 290. Less than 20%. So everyone is going out of their minds for a less than 20% difference between expectation and reality?

I think most people here need to raise their standards when it comes to what classifies as a significant performance increase. Anything less than 50% difference is simply not that huge. Anything less than 100% is not even worth an upgrade for me.
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Yup.

I said it time and time again. AMD has to be flawless with their launches, while Nvidia can make mistakes. AMD mistakes are magnified while Nvidia's tend to be minimized. This launch has too many warts and after the initial sell out, people are going to wait for the 1060.

If this card had gtx 980/390x speed at 110 watts, this would be a different story. At 390/970 speed and 150 watts, people will wait.

Remember what I said, on the best thing AMD could do was wait for Pascal to come out and embarrass them by showing them up in reviews. The opposite is also true, since AMD has already shown their hand, if the 1060 comes out faster, with better power consumption and a potentially cheaper price with AMD having already shown it's hand, its game over for AMD in this segment.

Thanks, pretty much took the words right out of my mouth.

Now I'm not saying it's fair (it isn't, as witnessed by Forceman's law), but that's just reality. Now AMD could either pull another 4870 level upset, or they could talk about pulling another 4870 level of upset while failing to deliver on it, and make themselves look bad.
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I'm going to go with A and C, along with box art of JHH staring you down disapprovingly and pointing to his right, where the 1070's and 1080's will be stocked by Nvidia's requirements. 1060's will only be produced in sufficient quantity to serve as directional pylons herding customers to the Founder's Edition goodness.

You just made me realize one thing: Founders Edition would indeed be too pompous for a card in 1060's segment. So instead of having a Founders Edition, the 1060 3GB edition will be called the Casual Edition. Why Casual Edition? Because it's for all your casual gaming needs, perfect for the budget conscious yet demanding gamer. Pre-order yours today and reserve a copy on launch day!





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I just got home from work and I can say without a doubt (having read the initial numbers) that the AMD hate train is going to be running into overdrive unfortunately. Firstly, I will admit to being a bit underwhelmed with what I am seeing out of the 480. The reason I am still much more underwhelmed with what Nvidia gave us in the 1080 comes down to price, which is the same reason I am mostly OK with the performance of this card. At $200 this kind of performance is still very significant and until we see where the 1060 lands (in price and performance) there's no question the 480 has absolutely no competition at all. We are talking about a card that is slightly faster than the 970 after all. That said, the OCing is abysmal, there's no two ways around that fact. I honestly expected at least 1400MHz up until very recently when the troubling leaks started popping up that suggested difficulty reaching even 1350MHz. In fact, last night I posted that the news about OC's was troubling and am sad to say that they seem to be accurate. I mean, there's no way to spin OC's of less than 5%, especially for a card that has a brand new OCing utility that looks very nice indeed (but seems altogether rather worthless considering the negligible headroom this card seems to have). It is simply undeniable (even for an "AMD fanboy" like me that Nvidia is just massively ahead in terms of clock speed on 14/16nm. They were way ahead with Maxwell and they have extended even that huge lead it would seem. Of course I will wait until we get more numbers here on OCN (and the all important AIB cards) as the guys around here tend to do a lot better than the reviewers but they would have to do a LOT better to make this card actually exciting from a pure performance standpoint (it is already very good for its price).

As I said last night, this pretty much confirms that the RX 480 is a solidly "GOOD" card; one that brings high end performance down to a rock bottom price and should be a great upgrade for anybody on current budget cards or even high end cards from a few years ago (pre-Maxwell, Fiji). It is not however a "GREAT" card a la the 4870 like many of us were hoping it would be. That may be just a case of too high of expectations, but in the face of the very successful and powerful Pascal cards out now its hard to get too excited about GTX 970 performance even at $200. If the card really did clock to 1500MHz+ I think it would have been one of the breakthrough cards of this decade, but as it stands, it clearly isn't. Its just kind of status quo for AMD in that they continually manage to underwhelm with every new release (even if it is still a good card).

Let the Nvidia-loving, AMD hating flood gates open up. I am sure the usual suspects are having absolute celebrations right now, with confetti and fireworks and everything... :/
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Apparently the AIB cards are proving to be much better overclockers, going hang in there for another few weeks and see what is on tap from Sapphire, MSI and Asus. This card will look a lot different above 1.5ghz, I just hope the prices stay under $260. I don't believe that the 970 really had any reference cards, most of us buy AIB cards, so these reference results will mean little to nothing in a few weeks like they always do.

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Exactly, all X60 cards were crap, we all know it, yet people are stomping the AMD into the gutter because of power consumption.

In other words telling people to buy a 1060 instead. The nvidia option will be expensive, and under powered over time.

Enthusiasts claim to want a more fair market and competition, but they won't get behind the underdog even when they should.

If everyone trolls them all over the net, what are idiots going to do? Buy X60 all over again.

Sure the X60 will dot hem fine, but so would the 480, and we need AMD to get marketshare.

marketshare = wealth

wealth = better products

better products = happy enthusiast.
People should not stomp AMD into the gutter. The 480 is a good card from a mainstream consumer point. The problem with the 480 is its high power draw. Something failed since they were rumored to be lower than the TDP value and as we can see that did not come true. This effects AMD with OEM comps with crap 400 Power supplies. As an enthusiast this also makes me call out AMD due to less headroom for overclocking. AMD lost the last round to Maxwell due to power consumption especially at mainstream level. Something is not right with this gpu either architecture or gloflo process. Sure AIB will come out with better OC cards but the thorn in the side will be power consumption.
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