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post #881 of 10602 Old 04-16-2011, 02:52 AM
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A $1000 dollar processor from AMD would be a bad idea right now with out something to show for in the low to mid-range market. I'm hoping it is a good successor to the Phenom II and am less concerned with it taking the crown in the CPU market. I think having the fastest processor out doesn't mean you win in the business sense of things, unless it is surprisingly cheap. I will be sporting the bulldoesher in June if the rumored release date is true.
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Then all the AM3+ board owners will point and laugh saying "that is why AMD doesn't support BD in AM3".

Not only will I not feel sorry for any AMD owner who tries to shoehorn BD into a AM3 board, but AMD is not at fault because they have been brutally clear about BD's socket for over a half a year now.

Intel fanboys will go about their business as usual. If BD in AM3 is 30% faster than SB they will all chorus "wait till Ivy -- that is BD 'real' competition" like parrots anyway.

I agree, i'll laugh at them too, but you can't close pandora's box, the tainted benches will be out there, getting misread, half the people won't bother to look what socket it's on or wouldn't know it made any difference anyway.
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This point makes me wonder. I wonder how many people are actually going to flash their previous AM3 motherboards compared to how many people are going to purchase a new motherboard. I will be purchasing a new motherboard because it is time however I think you bring up a strong point. If the majority flash and use a previous mobo the over-all community rating could be influenced by a factor that isn't the processors fault.

This is the point I was making.
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Anyway, i dont see why are people saying that am3 will gimp BD's performance when that is nowhere to be found. A few times it has been said that am3 will only have some power-saving stuff disabled Dont make cofusion pls
Whether it will be gimped or not remains to be seen. Until Bulldozer is officially released, then we won't know for sure. However, I reckon a lot of people expecting gimped performance may have read this:
http://www.planet3dnow.de/cgi-bin/ne...&id=1282840508
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"The existing G34 and C32 server infrastructure will support the new Bulldozer-based server products. In order for AMD’s desktop offering to fully leverage the capabilities of Bulldozer, an enhanced AM3+ socket will be introduced that supports Bulldozer and is backward-compatible with our existing AM3 CPU offerings."


"When we initially set out on the path to Bulldozer we were hoping for AM3 compatibility, but further along the process we realized that we had a choice to make based on some of the features that we wanted to bring with Bulldozer. We could either provide AM3 support and lose some of the capabilities of the new Bulldozer architecture or, we could choose the AM3+ socket which would allow the Bulldozer-base Zambezi to have greater performance and capability.

The majority of the computer buying public will not upgrade their processors, but enthusiasts do. When we did the analysis it was clear that the customers who were most likely to upgrade an AM3 motherboard to a Bulldozer would want the features and capability that would only be delivered in the new AM3+ sockets. A classic Catch-22.

Why not do both you ask? Just make a second model that only works in AM3? First, because that would greatly increase the cost and infrastructure of bringing the product to market, which would drive up the cost of the product (for both AMD and its partners). Secondly, adding an additional product would double the time involved in many of the development steps.

So in the end, delivering an AM3 capability would bring you a less featured product that was more expensive and later to market. Instead we chose the path of the AM3+ socket, which is a path that we hope will bring you a better priced product, with greater performance and more features - on time.

When we looked at the market for AM3 upgrades, it was clear that the folks most interested in an AM3-based product were the enthusiasts. This is one set of customers that we know are not willing to settle for second best when it comes to performance, so we definitely needed to ensure that our new architecture would meet their demanding needs, for both high performance and overclockability. We believe they will see that in AM3+."
I reckon the decision AMD made with Bulldozer not supporting the AM3 socket was not taken lightly. That they chose to go with a new socket and risk alienating part of their user base likely means sticking to AM3 would have held back Bulldozer considerably on the performance/features front.
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The overclockers.com interview was with Damon Munzy (thanks hokiealumnus!). It would seem that Josh Walrath was correct about the black socket motherboards still being "AM3" even though the physical socket looks like AM3+. It appears that AMD only considers true AM3+ to be the physical socket combined with a 900-series chipset (this combination is Scorpius), and that platform is likely to be required to "support new power management features as well as “boosting technology†(turbo boost)".

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2156179
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Hey JF, a bit of a personal question....

You're big in mountain biking and the outdoors as personal hobbies. What made you want to go work for AMD?
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Hey JF, a bit of a personal question....

You're big in mountain biking and the outdoors as personal hobbies. What made you want to go work for AMD?
It's not that uncommon. Not all techies are people who live in their parents basements. And anyways, you need to do something outside of sitting in front of the computer. Although I'm not a "techie" in the traditional sense (I'm a GIS Specialist/CS major) I'll still sit in front of a computer for most of the day once I start working.

I for one like XC mountain biking (and may start Downhill next year once I get a hold of the proper safety gear), and I enjoy hiking, and camping and all that.

In short, everyone needs a hobby and it's not uncommon for "techies" to do interesting things. Case in point, one guy in my CS class did free running, and another was in the military. A girl in my math class was also an avid biker, biking something close to 20km a day (round trip) to get to/from class from her house, only during good weather though, during winter she drove or took public transit. It's not always sports though, it could be the stereotypical D&D and boardgames and such but they're still a break from the monotonous 9-5 grind. In fact, in my spare time I really like cooking and baking and have gotten pretty good at it.

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That is kind of a weird question. That is like asking, You like biking and playing the piano also? why the hell do you overclock and play video games?
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In short, everyone needs a hobby and it's not uncommon for "techies" to do interesting things.

I'm fully aware of that. My hobbies involve paintball, competitive gaming, and tech in general, and yet I'm studing for areospace engineering. It was a question. I'm sorry if you think it is a stupid question.
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I'm fully aware of that. My hobbies involve paintball, competitive gaming, and tech in general, and yet I'm studing for areospace engineering. It was a question. I'm sorry if you think it is a stupid question.
I see. It was more of a "why do you do this" rather than a general blanket statement. Sorry I interpreted it the wrong way.

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Hey JF, a bit of a personal question....

You're big in mountain biking and the outdoors as personal hobbies. What made you want to go work for AMD?
Definitely did not grow up rich, was working by 14 and putting in 40 hours a week from 16 on. Didn't have a car so I had to ride a bike everywhere. Including all winter in chicago. So the biking thing was always in me; didn't get my first car until I was out of college.

I started mountain biking for real when I got to Austin, it's the first place with real trails. Part of it is exercise, part of it is the fun and a large part of it is the beer and tacos with my friends after the ride.

My degree is in economics, which does not make me the typical computer nerd. Everything that I know came from hands-on experience, not from a classroom.

I spent ~15 years working for OEMs, on the server side. In my last gig I was the intel apologist. When someone came to our customer briefing center and said the word "opteron" my phone rang and I would drop whatever I was doing and go sit in to the customer to tell them why it was a bad idea. Every month it got harder and harder to dismiss AMD. I really wanted us to do Opteron servers, but the company held out.

A friend of mine was running the Opteron marketing and every quarter he would call me up and say "are you ready to come over yet." With 10 years under my belt at that company I was not in the mood to switch. But finally I had enough and went to work for him. 2 weeks later my old company signed the deal with AMD.

I have been much happier at AMD, completely different culture. And my buddy is still here too, he runs the whole Opteron business now.

While I work for AMD, my posts are my own opinions.

http://blogs.amd.com/work/author/jfruehe/

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