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post #12451 of 28613 Old 09-02-2010, 05:53 PM
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It's better I believe, but there aren't many reputable comparisons out there yet (think Tom's Hardware). Keep in mind that two 5770s generally beats out a 5870 in most benchmarks and is often quite a bit cheaper. I have two 5750s and they rock, not to mention run cooler and use less power.

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This is a Quote from my Report that I did on the Tri Fire 5770.

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Shocking Radeon HD5770 CrossFireX Results

Pros:
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As of late November, Newegg is selling a few Radeon HD5770 cards at $164.99; three of them will set you back less than $500. Consider the fact that this combination smokes all of the following cards: GTX285, HD5870, GTX295, and beats the HD5970 in a couple scenarios with the Far Cry 2 and Resident Evil 5 benchmarks. If that's not a bargain, I don't know what is. There is an additional cost in system complexity, and partial incompatibility, however. You don't want to go this route if your favorite game is World in Conflict, at least until performance is addressed in a driver update.

Radeon HD5770 CrossFireXTM earns a Gold Tachometer Award, because it delivers an unprecedented level of performance at the $500 mark. Not only that, it's budget friendly in another way; you don't have to come up with all the cash up front. You can buy one card now, and have a guaranteed upgrade path. What makes this combination more worthy than CrossFireX combinations in the past is its scalability with first generation drivers. This is the first time an entirely new architecture has come out of the gate with this level of stability and performance in a multi-GPU arrangement.






Cons:
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One performance disadvantage to CrossFireXTM is the fact that only the memory of one card is in use. The other RAM just sits there, idle. So, in all of our tests, we were working with 1GB of GDDR5. At our maximum testing resolution of 1920x1200, that wasn't a problem. At 2560x1600, or with multiple monitors, it could have become a handicap. On the whole, we went looking for some excellent performance scaling and we found it. We also found very reasonable power requirements and operating temperatures, both well established traits of the entire HD5xxx series.
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The three Radeon HD5770 cards pulled 77 (196-119) watts at idle and 388 (507-119) watts when running full out, using the test method outlined above. That works out to 26 watts and 129 watts per card, which is a little bit above the factory numbers of 18W at idle and 108W per card under load. I attribute most of that to me manually setting the fans to a constant 100%, and to the load that FurMark put on the CPU. As I mentioned before, these are very reasonable power numbers for a 3-GPU setup, and well within the range that most PSU can provide. No need for a 1,000 watt power supply to run these at full power, I made do with my trusty single-rail 750W Corsair. I even had one PCI-E cable to spare.

Test Setup


Intel Core2Quad Q9550 @ 3.9ghz
Corsair XMS2 2x2gb DHX Cas4 Ram (5-5-5-12)
Western Digital 500gb Hard Drive x 2 (Raid-0)
Catalyst 10.3 Pre-Release Beta Driver
Stock Clocks: 875mhz Core, 1200mhz Ram
OC Clocks: 1050mhz Core, 1350mhz Ram

Red = Single card overclock scaling over single card stock.

Green = Crossfire overclock scaling over single card stock.

**All Tests are conducted with ZERO AA this round **


I will come back around as time permits and add AA tests.




Vantage

Single Stock: P11036 (GPU: 10035, CPU: 15751)
Single Overclock: P12466 (GPU: 11600, CPU: 16062) +15.6%

Crossfire Stock: P17043 (GPU: 17567, CPU: 15645)
Crossfire Overclock: P18354 (GPU: 19553, CPU: 15502) +94.8%




3dmark06

Single Stock: 17070 (2.0: 6551, 3.0: 7552, CPU: 5788)
Single Overclock: 18800 (2.0: 7253, 3.0: 8609, CPU: 5812) +12.6%

Crossfire Stock: 22117 (2.0: 8333, 3.0: 11241, CPU: 5728
Crossfire Overclock: 22597 (2.0: 8346, 3.0: 11582, CPU: 5763) +41.3%





Heaven Dx11 @ 1920x1080 Fullscreen (4xAF)

Single Stock: 22.9 FPS (Score: 576)
Single Overclock: 26.6 FPS (Score: 671) +16.5%

Crossfire Stock: 45.1 FPS (Score: 1135)
Crossfire Overclock: 52.4 FPS (Score: 1319) +129.9%




Crysis @ 1920x1080 Very High

Single Stock: 20.785 FPS
Single Overclock: 23.905 FPS +15%

Crossfire Stock: 39.495 FPS
Crossfire Overclock: 45.01 FPS +116.6%



Stalker: CoP Dx11 @ 1920x1080 Ultra

Single Stock:

Day: Min 23.3 FPS, Max 76.8 FPS, Avg 57.7 FPS
Night: Min 35.8 FPS, Max 74.5 FPS, Avg 52.6 FPS
Rain: Min 36.8 FPS, Max 78.7 FPS, Avg 56.7 FPS
Sun Shafts: Min 21.5 FPS, Max 39.2 FPS, Avg 26.5 FPS

Single Overclock:

Day: Min 40.7 FPS, Max 88.4 FPS, Avg 67.1 FPS
Night: Min 41.6 FPS, Max 90.7 FPS, Avg 60.7 FPS
Rain: Min 43.8 FPS, Max 90.9 FPS, Avg 64.9 FPS
Sun Shafts: Min 24.9 FPS, Max 45.6 FPS, Avg 29.9 FPS +15%

Crossfire Stock:

Day: Min 51.3 FPS, Max 150.6 FPS, Avg 103.0 FPS
Night: Min 40.8 FPS, Max 155.7 FPS, Avg 92.6 FPS
Rain: Min 50.7 FPS, Max 160.5 FPS, Avg 103.1 FPS
Sun Shafts: Min 28.9 FPS, Max 75.9 FPS, Avg 50.7 FPS

Crossfire Overclock:

Day: Min 32.4 FPS, Max 169.1 FPS, Avg 114.6 FPS
Night: Min 54.9 FPS, Max 179.5 FPS, Avg 102.8 FPS
Rain: Min 49.0 FPS, Max 183.3 FPS, Avg 115.8 FPS
Sun Shafts: Min 31.3 FPS, Max 88.1 FPS, Avg 58.9 FPS +103%



FarCry 2 @ 1920x1080 Ultra High

Single Stock: Min 44.62 FPS, Max 80.32 FPS, Avg 54.88 FPS
Single Overclock: Min 50.64 FPS, Max 82.73 FPS, Avg 62.32 FPS +13.6%

Crossfire Stock: Min 64.64 FPS, Max 125.94 FPS, Avg 92.81 FPS
Crossfire Overclock: Min 63.29 FPS, Max 141.62 FPS, Avg 96.04 FPS +75%



Dirt 2 Dx11 @ 1920x1080 Maxed

Single Stock: Min 37.3 FPS, Avg 45.1 FPS
Single Overclock: Min 40.9 FPS, Avg 51.5 FPS +14.2%

Crossfire Stock: Min 61.1 FPS, Avg 77.0 FPS
Crossfire Overclock: Min 67.8 FPS, Avg 86.3 FPS +91.4%



Thermals


After lapping each cooler, adding OCZ Freeze, and Zalman Ramsinks on the VRMs and backside RAM, I was able to attain these temperatures (15C Ambients, 100% Fanspeed).


875mhz Core, 1200mhz Mem, 1.125v
+/- 20C over Ambient.





1000mhz Core, 1300mhz Mem, 1.275v
+/- 23.5C over Ambient.





1070mhz Core, 1400mhz Mem, 1.350v
+/- 30C over Ambient.




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WOW! That's quite a post. The only problem is the XFX 5770s with reference cooler as pictured in the above post are only capable of X-Fire only due to having only 1 crossfire connector. I don't know about any of the other brands.
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WOW! That's quite a post. The only problem is the XFX 5770s with reference cooler as pictured in the above post are only capable of X-Fire only due to having only 1 crossfire connector. I don't know about any of the other brands.
what happens if you pair it with a couple that DO have 2 convectors?
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what happens if you pair it with a couple that DO have 2 convectors?
That would definitely be a question for the GPU guys or some one here smarter than me, cus IHDK
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it should work because xfire was made so the cards don't have to be the same

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Oh, not much really. The same thing has been asked about the SLI bridge, they supply you with a single set to connect 2 cards together, a double set that's two single set straps to connect 3 cards then a triple strap which can connect 2 or 3 cards but jumpers both bridges on an SLI card.

The meaning behind this is: The single goes on the plugs closest to the back of the case. The double "dualie" setup is one strap on the top & second card, connectors back of the case, the next on the forward connectors as in Enigma's crossfire setup above. Then there's the triple strap which most SLI guys use just because. It's a strap that runs over both sets of connectors no matter the card position, if you run 2 SLI or 3 SLI or even 2 SLI in the 1&3 slot which is really the 1 & 5 slot.

Got into a big argument at Evga, ending in the supposedly "ex-military" guy resorting to calling me names when all along I was saying the same thing he was but quoting from the manual. If he'd have stopped a few beers earlier he would have seen the obvious.

Anyway, the theory is since the tri-SLI strap has a Z configuration in the ribbon cable, you should get better performance from having the strap across 2 cards no matter the slot configuration. The logic is totally fallible though and any test results are skewed in the favor of the game that is optimized for Nvidia cards. Yes Virginia there is a Santa Claus and he cheats on your FPS reports! Oh, just to be fair, there are games written with the lean onto the ATI side too.

The flaw exists in the way the cards handle the communication with each other and the motherboard. The latest sets of Cards, DX10.0 & above only talk to the motherboard to get power and ask permission to hand off tasks to greater RAM and the CPU, then they discuss amongst themselves who should handle odd number line draws & who should handle even, then who should handle bumb mapping & who handles texture fills. This is not an exact science and totally depends on Programmer, API & AI. Even less precise when Win Vista and Win 7 get involved. Forget about when you add an old card for Physx like a 9800 running with 2 Gtx 470's. Don't, it's not worth it, buy a better set of speakers instead.

So, what do you gain if you connect all the straps possible in a tri-SLI or tri-Crossfire configuration. Pretty much nothing! Also a point worth making here is what do you loose in an X16 + X8 configuration compared to an X16 + X16 configuration. About 3-8 Fps depending on the cards & the game played. Then there's the ATI position where you can crossfire any two or more 58xx series and 57xx series. What do you get? You loose to the lesser amount of ram and the slower of the card set.

Now, a whole new thing pops up when you strap two GPU's on a single PCB. As Enigma can attest, the first thing you get is a major jump in power draw! It doesn't even matter if you're running a totally 2D app like word processing or Calculator, the second GPU is on even if it isn't doing anything. In an SLI or Crossfire mode, especially with Energy Star products, the secondary or lesser of the two cards can say "hey mobo, unless you got something for me, I'm gonna nap". Then on the other end, when you're running a demanding game, there's always going to be a little bit of "under powering" because they have to sell you on the idea you're getting double the performance with less heat, noise & power consumption. So far, neither AMD nor Nvidia have made a dual GPU board that is the equal of two cards together with the same GPU set. So, when you think you're getting a bargain because it's 2 GPU's for say $150- less than the same configuration in 2 seperate GPU cards. You aren't! You actually get 2 GPU's on a single PCB with the power cut back by reduced caps, lower power Vregs and often, games that don't handle the configuration well.

Any questions, or are you more confused now?? Good.

Anyone want to see GTX 480 results in single or SLI configuration. I tested for about 3 months, it got really boring seeing Crysis and C.O.P flashing through thier benchmarks. Basically, someone from the ATI board said. You won't get a 66% increase which is what the price barrier at that time was, meaning: 2 GTX 480's were 66% more than one 5870. The prices have changed & yes I did get a 66% increase on some games. Pardon me, Game benchmarks.

Final Edit: Just ask the old guys here. Esp Enigma, he's probably got pictures of when we had to cable tie a 3D card to the existing 2D card, then the first crossfire was the same way, cable tied behind the case. You guys have it easy now with the "inside the case, multi-card adapters". I think if you go to Nvidia and look up Dual SLI they still have the old style cable connectors.

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the reviews state that if you have

2 5750's xfired slowest
1 5770,5750 inbetween
2 5770's fasted

so the speed is not the lowest of the two, each card runs at its speed

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the reviews state that if you have

2 5750's xfired slowest
1 5770,5750 inbetween
2 5770's fasted

so the speed is not the lowest of the two, each card runs at its speed
Yeah, exactly. The 5770 is the fastest card in your list, 2 together makes the fastest combo. With a 5750 and a 5770 the 5750 drags the speed of the 5770, maybe not to 5750 clocks but definite drag. More importantly, to most "Enthusiast gamers" is that by each card having 1Gb, you do not end up with a 2Gb configuration, you're still at 1Gb, limiting your multi-monitor, giant screen combination. Then, of course, the 5750 being the slowest quoted, two together makes for the slowest combo.

Answer this one: if you connect a 5970 & a 5870, do you get a triple crossfire combination?

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he is offering it to us scouts at a great price
if i didn't live in aus i would get both
Oh, yeah. I'm giving you guys one last chance. I'll even drop the 5870 to $300- plus shipping & handling. I'll have some "spare time" this weekend. Will take pics, clean them up, find all the parts & post it to the marketplace.

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