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post #141 of 293 Old 11-08-2012, 04:06 PM
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I hope your not serious.. Overclocked the top 4 cards are all within a very few fps of each other.

A 5 FPS difference in min and avg is massive at higher resolutions even if it's 31 v 36 frames, and this has been shown to be bigger after OCs.

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Obviously I do because I own a GTX.
It will take a lot more then one driver update and increased performance to make me consider AMD.
They have always been awful in comparison to Nvidia.
Southern Islands came out before Keplar.
The 670 was the last of big 4 to release, and for nearly 4-5 months beat a 7970 at 1080/1200p and matched it at 1440p/1600p, while beating it down in Borderlands 2 with PhysX turned up.
They are still basically all in the same bracket of performance, none can get too far away from the other.
It comes down to quality (drivers) and features (Physx) at my resolution and IMO, its all GTX no contest.

The issue I think most people have with the NV camp is they tout their preference, like you are now, as what is good for most people and something that should be heavily considered in the VS threads .

We've heard for the last 5 years how physx is the next big thing and FINALLY we got BD2 and it is absolutely awesome to have it on (and my SLI 460's while they struggled loved it) but I now take issue with all the people saying this is the first of things to come.......... HA!!!!!! Batmans fog and cloths were really cool but so far we one one game where it can really enhance the experience and tons of barely noticeable games where Physx is meh at best.

For anyone who is still asking about whether to go with 7970/7950 vs 670/680, the AMD camp is the better choice in performance and value. People will show the uninformed the super awesome Phsyx trailer from BD2 and they'll absolutely think that there are many games with the same level of implementation which is just not the case. Just because you value and know that it's the better choice for you (which most of us say that if Physx, folding and cuda are big the 670 is the proper choice) doesn't mean it's actually better for the other 90% of people that these threads are designed for.

My last few cards I made them last pretty good starting with 7600gt, 8800gt, 4870, 5870 CF to a 460SLI (yes from the 5870's to the 460's ) and now on to the 7970 which I expect to last me until the GTX 8XX/ HD 9XXX.

The 670 is the better buy on the NV camp but it's not the better card and it's no contest with the 7970/7950 getting the TKO on the NV camp for 90% of the regular folks.

Most of us that are better informed will buy what is best for us with our money and as Bruennis has had both the 680 lighting and Matrix 7970 his opinion on this is pretty much the most honest and realistic.

As you can see from TSM's post I PM'd him and asked if he could bench a few things because I thought it'd be good to get someone from the community to get real user benchies to hopefully keep some of these squabbles down to minimum. He was surprised by what he found and so were many of us who don't really have an allegiance to either side but to our wallets..

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http://www.overclock.net/t/1322119/12-11-vs-310-33

Very few FPS, I guess, is subjective... I have 20/20 vision and I'm seeing 20%+ more performance on the 7970 over the 680. Both are overclocked. 20%+ is very few fps? At higher resolutions, that gap would widen in favor of the 7970.
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Sorry to all the nvidia owners trying to make them selves feel better.

My 7970 oced close to 1300/ 1880 deytroys your 680 on 3 screens with 12.11 beta6.

No debate. Except ppl can buy these cards in Canada for $330 price beat with 3 games. subtract the cost of the games to the total and well its just plain embarassing for Nvidia

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@ 1300/1900 (basically) your PSU must be crying every night trying to recover from the beating you're giving it everyday........

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Why is there no 7970 1300 club?

These cards deserve recognition biggrin.gif
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Very few FPS, I guess, is subjective... I have 20/20 vision and I'm seeing 20%+ more performance on the 7970 over the 680. Both are overclocked. 20%+ is very few fps? At higher resolutions, that gap would widen in favor of the 7970.
He tested FIVE programs/ games, if you think that is evidence to say the 7970 is 20% faster then a 680 your just silly. There are multiple 12.11 reviews out there that show that the difference is no where near that.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/23.html
4% IS a few fps.

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He tested FIVE programs/ games, if you think that is evidence to say the 7970 is 20% faster then a 680 your just silly. There are multiple 12.11 reviews out there that show that the difference is no where near that.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/23.html
4% IS a few fps.

Yes but he tested high OC vs high OC and we know the GCN scaled much better the farther we go up, while the link you give and most sites bench at stock where the Keplers still get the NV boost everyone forgets about but discounts the GE.

7970's without OC are like 460's without oc and that's just dumb, my own 460's do 900 on the core with unlocked voltage on air and feel like different cards when compared to stock.

Funny how the argument people used against my 460's is now being used against my 7970 about OC not counting and "stock" mattering more on OCN.......

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Yes but he tested high OC vs high OC and we know the GCN scaled much better the farther we go up, while the link you give and most sites bench at stock where the Keplers still get the NV boost everyone forgets about but discounts the GE.
Kepler boost is not overclocking like people always seem to assume, it is only a boost and is in Nvidia's manufacturer specs. The GHz is different for the fact that AMD simply made it to take the crown of "stock", nvidia can do the same but it would be silly. And as you can see I consider the GHz fine, if I didnt I would of brought up the non-GHz with 12.11 lost to the 680, but that would be ignorant, imo.

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Yes but he tested high OC vs high OC and we know the GCN scaled much better the farther we go up, while the link you give and most sites bench at stock where the Keplers still get the NV boost everyone forgets about but discounts the GE.

And vice versa "everyone" forgets that GE eats out the OC headroom of the normal 7970, and that overvolting wreaks havoc on power consumption. Oh yes, and of course that Tahitis have been getting more and more voltage locked.

How can everyone be so blind, one way or the other? biggrin.gif

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He tested FIVE programs/ games, if you think that is evidence to say the 7970 is 20% faster then a 680 your just silly. There are multiple 12.11 reviews out there that show that the difference is no where near that.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/23.html
4% IS a few fps.

4% is huge considering one is notably cheaper, overclocks better and scales better with overclocking thumb.gif

In that same graph, a 7950 is ~12% slower than a 670 at stock clocks but we all know overclocked, it edges out the Kepler. A Tahiti with an initial advantage will surely beat out a Kepler by a considerable amount.
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