Originally Posted by Mopar63
This argument gets used a lot but is actually completely false. As enthusiasts we tend to judge this kind of stuff by what we use but the truth is MOST people do not use the horsepower level of the people in this forum. The Xbox 360 and PS3 at launch were actually pretty close to the average PC used for gaming when they launched. Event today they are really not far off the mark when you realize how many people are gaming on Intel based graphics.
Interesting how you mixed your argument points because if we use the same argument used against the Xbox and PS and then compare by the same standard Maxwell does not come close. However if you do a realistic standard as I suggested it does. This is a pure marketing double talk you presented.
As for the why a decision was reached, I do not doubt that AMD was tapped because it was able to deliver a better overall price and reach the performance level Sony wanted. You need to understand these companies do not care what is the latest greatest tech, just as 99% of consumers don't. They set a performance standard in their design they wanted met and then they looked for the best price they could get and hit the performance envelope they were looking for.
You act like this is a bad thing but we, as enthusiast do it everyday. Otherwise everyone would buy $1000 video cards. As for Shield I think it is a great looking product and the only flaw I saw was that I wish it di not have to be wired to the TV. Last thing I want is a hand held that is tethered part of the time. Will it sell well, I am sure it will, the concept is cool and looks well executed. However at the end of the day I think it will be a nitch market item.
In the end however this has nothing to do with AMD's design win. Does it hurt nVidia, likely not but they are not untouched by it. Losing a multi-million dollar bid is still losing the bid.
It's actually not false...We had samples available that far exceeded both systems.
You're discussing 2 entirely different launch platforms. There's the public releases and private. Businesses and development are on a 4-5 month earlier schedule then Joe Public, is. When many Vendors/Businesses (Like myself) discuss this, that's the date-line we're discussing.
I didn't present any double-talk.
AMD did not match the same level of technology that Nvidia did, period. Nvidia was undercut by a cheaper option.
Maxwell samples have been available to us for some time...As they were equally available to Sony.
As I said earlier, I've been doing business with Nvidia directly for almost a decade...Maxwell was pushed as an option for the PS4...Would've been a tremendous marketing tool but, at the end of the day, Sony went with the "older" product.
You can call it whatever you want but, Sony chose an existing product, AMD's offering to Sony is actually currently available on the commercial market and Nvidia's won't be for another year.
Shield is due out very soon as is an entirely new platform. Mobile samples are already in existence.
I assure you, Nvidia "losing" the bid, is of no consequence because there are 3/4 projects currently that AMD does not have the production facilities to match Nvidia.
While it may appear they "lost", they really didn't.