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Exclusivity is always bad for consumers.

I also think that sometimes the non reference designs preform a bit better on the temperature side of things due to the upgraded heat sinks, copper internals and more fans etc. Specs look good for the reference card however.
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I've heard that Nvidia wont be providing there partners (Asus, Gigabyte, EVGA etc) access to this card for non-reference models... What do you guys think of this? Good or bad idea?

Titan cards have never had any non-reference designs ever.

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Almost time fellas! I hope I land one soon. I'm buying either the Titan XP or 1080 Classified. Whichever I can order first.

Has anyone posted Titan XP leaked 3DMark benches yet?
http://videocardz.com/62738/nvidia-titan-x-pascal-3dmark-performance

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Supposed 3dmark scores from videocardzzzzzz.

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When exactly does the nda drop midnight tonight?

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Looks like im holding onto my 980ti.. it does 24k graphics in firestrike no problem. frown.gif

Im skeptical of what TX can do under water given everything is so locked down with GPU Boost 3.0.

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Supposed 3dmark scores from videocardzzzzzz.

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It s going need to get to around ~30K graphics score to run most modern games at 4k@60fps, regardless the performance will be other worldly for the few people who can afford it.

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My own point of view regarding the new Titan X and Nvidia pricing structure since March 2012. I try to be objective and not call people stupid for what they might buy. If you are not interested in hearing my opinion (a guy that usually likes to buy a 500$ and be settled) then stop reading here thx thumb.gif


Back before the 7970, GTX 680 and Vanilla Titan we used to get really good cards and big chips for around 500$. Yes there were a few exceptions that is true, but mostly you could get a bangin' GPU for around 500$. Since then money hasn't change much in value. People don't even need to start with "inflation".
R & D costs on the other hand have probably increased. Generally prices always increase. We are aware of that. No one would expect to get a Titan for 350$ - 500$.


The reality is the Titan cards are not really new products. They are basically using a new naming structure to make people associate a higher price with a more premium product, which no card so far truly deserved. I could understand if they came out in May 2016 with a full fat 3840 cuda core Pascal Titan card with 16+GB HBM2 memory that blows everything out of the water and is like 1000$. Completely ahead of its time and bringing the absolute best without any doubt. A card where you know : "This is the best for 1-2 years" and not a card where you say "oh this cut thing is the best for a couple of months then the full fat boy comes out to play".

With Nvidia now you pay a premium on all products. Even on your monitor you pay a premium. Aswell on your HB SLI Bridge. A GTX 1080 is not what previous X80 cards prior to 2012 used to be. It's basically a 700$ GTX 460.


Objectively speaking and going by the specifications the new Titan X Pascal (1200$) is basically the same (in terms of GPU hierachy within their generation based on technical specs) as a GTX 570 (329$) back in 2011. Both are a cut chip. The new Titan X Pascal will be likely bettered soon.
Yes I am fully aware that competition is different and price increase. Nvidia would be stupid to sell a Titan X Pascal at 329$. They would maybe even make a loss although I doubt that. The profit for them would be too small at that price.


What it means for me personally : I am sticking to my 2500K + R9 290X another year. I am not giving my money to the PC market. I feel alienated from PC gaming. The games are mostly badly optimized and 90% of games I play are too old or not graphically intense enough to even benefit from a 1200$ GPU. Of course I play Witcher 3, ROTR and other demanding games aswell, but they are far and few between. I want to buy a new rig (I said it numerous times before, some people are probably tired of hearing me say this). In 2014 I said "yeah 2015 is gonna be the year. 20nm GPUs with HBM lets' rock" and in 2015 I said "2016 is gonna be the year with 14nm and performance increases north of 50% of previous gen". Now we are in 2016 and we have 1200$ GPUs that are not even as good as I hoped 600$ GPUs would be. So for me now it is "wait for 2017 or screw PC gaming and grab a PS4 NEO and Nintendo NX".

I know there are other options beside a Titan X, but are they any better? Is a 500€ GTX 1070 really a good upgrade from a 3 year old 290X ? Is a 700€ GTX 1080 mid-range card really worth the money? You can get a PS4 + Xbox One + 3DS and games for that kinda money you need for 1 GPU.

To be fair it is largely AMDs fault. They basically have nothing to compete and if they do they manage to screw it up somehow. In hindsight all launched were screw-ups in the last 4 years by AMD. The 7970 was underclocked and bad drivers made it look bad against the GTX 680. The reference 290X we don't even need to talk about that. The nice Fury and Nano cards that came too little too late vs the 980 Ti. I know that things are much more complicated, but I don't want to go too much into the details. It would lead nowhere.

Nvidia is doing things right from their perspective. They are basically celebrating a new record profit every quarter now.

And on the other hand what good games are there left? What is coming? The huge good looking blockbuster games are all on PS4 : Uncharted 4, Horizon Zero Dawn, Final Fantasy XV, Gran Turismo Sports, God of War IV, Detroit : Become Human, Final Fantasy VIII Remake, etc.
What do we have coming for PC ? I can't even name 3 PC games that need a monster rig. Star Citizen?

One thing has to be said, which I also said before : If I had money, and I mean like 6 digits on my bank, then I would buy a Titan X aswell, but why do people (directed at those those that aren't well off) do want to purchase GPUs that expesinve?

(This is no post to make you feel bad. Buy what you want. I only know that people like me are alienated from PC gaming by the ever increasing prices of good GPUs. And those increasing GPU prices also lead to me not buying a new CASE, RAM, CPU etc. What good would a Titan X do with a 2500K and 1333mhz DDR3 RAM at 1080p?)


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There's no question at all that this card will not even come close to being worth $1200 objectively. Hell, the 1080 is in no way worth $700 either but Nvidia is taking full advantage of their position at the top of the market and these prices are the result. Had AMD gone with the traditional top-down release schedule and dropped something like a new Fury X (even if it was still not anymore competitive with Pascal than the original one was with Maxwell) I would guess we would have seen a $550 1080 and a $1000 Titan XP like usual. That said, i don't have anything against those who want to buy this new Titan even at its inflated price as its their money and they can do what they want. There's no question they will be able to brag about having the best card ever made for some time before the HBM2 Titans launch (whenever that is). The real losers in all of this are recent 1080 FE buyers who no doubt expected to be able to make that claim of dominance with their cards for a little longer than 1-2 months! Say what you want, owning the very fastest video card on the market is a big part of the reason a lot of guys were spending $700 for an X80 card and to be undercut so soon after purchase has to sting a bit. And I disagree that this Titan won't cannibalize 1080 sales. As I said, plenty of buyers just get the newest fastest card available to have those bragging rights and anyone who was on the fence with the 1080 for that reason, even if just a little, is going to have no reason to consider a 1080 now, unless they just flat out can't swing $1200 (something that these kind of high end buyers don't seem to care much about anyway in my experience)...
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There's no question at all that this card will not even come close to being worth $1200 objectively. Hell, the 1080 is in no way worth $700 either but Nvidia is taking full advantage of their position at the top of the market and these prices are the result. Had AMD gone with the traditional top-down release schedule and dropped something like a new Fury X (even if it was still not anymore competitive with Pascal than the original one was with Maxwell) I would guess we would have seen a $550 1080 and a $1000 Titan XP like usual. That said, i don't have anything against those who want to buy this new Titan even at its inflated price as its their money and they can do what they want. There's no question they will be able to brag about having the best card ever made for some time before the HBM2 Titans launch (whenever that is). The real losers in all of this are recent 1080 FE buyers who no doubt expected to be able to make that claim of dominance with their cards for a little longer than 1-2 months! Say what you want, owning the very fastest video card on the market is a big part of the reason a lot of guys were spending $700 for an X80 card and to be undercut so soon after purchase has to sting a bit. And I disagree that this Titan won't cannibalize 1080 sales. As I said, plenty of buyers just get the newest fastest card available to have those bragging rights and anyone who was on the fence with the 1080 for that reason, even if just a little, is going to have no reason to consider a 1080 now, unless they just flat out can't swing $1200 (something that these kind of high end buyers don't seem to care much about anyway in my experience)...

True. Maybe we can get another 290X from AMD this year. Initially the 290(X) looked bad and was bettered by 780 Ti and Titan Black. I think the 290(X) was roughly on par with the vanilla Titan and nowadays the 290X/390X laughs at those cards.

I agree (partly) about the GTX 1080 part. I think noone excepted the new Titan to be out basically 1 month after they bought a GTX 1080. Many are probably selling their GTX 1080 and upgrade to a new Titan X and those that don't are probably scared by the 1200$ price tag. If the new Titan had been 999$ those that bought a GTX 1080 FE would probably be very mad right now.

One thing about the 1200$ price tag. It probably means that each Titan coming forth is going to be 1200$ or even more . Especially as long as AMD has nothing to compete.

My optimistic expectations : AMD has something for 500$ in Q4 2016 that is between the GTX 1080 and Titan X Pascal

My realistic expectations : AMD has something slightly faster than the GTX 1080 faster for 550$ in Q4 2016

My pessimistic expectations : Raja dancing, eating hot wings, praising True Audio 3.0 and releasing a super small niché card that fits into your smartphone and boosts Pokemon GO to 60fps. The AMD Radeon RX PICO.


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