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Yea, Apple's chips are the best in the biz. I'd love to know what their secret sauce is to making them so powerful. The A10 + app integration means that they are currently about a generation ahead of the competition.

Apple's secret sauce is building chips that are fast instead of chips that sound fast. They don't follow fads. Qualcomm built stupid 4 then 8 core cpus. and decided to go 64 bit because they didn't want apple chips to "sound" faster than theirs, while ignoring features that actually benefit performance. Qualcomm built stupid 2.3 GHz quad core CPUs that throttled to 1Ghz, while apple sold rock solid 1.4GHz dual cores.

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I prefer AMOLED if:

-its a high quality unit from Samsung instead of the usual second rate stuff they sell to other OEMs
-the display is calibrated to have a reasonable amount of saturation without completely throwing color accuracy out the window
-it hasnt began to degrade and/or burn in.

I've used AMOLED before with two Moto X 2013 and two Nexus 6.

The Moto X 2013 had a pretty good display. It was 720p but the PPI was there. I didn't really have any complaints about it. I ended up breaking my first one (oops) and the second refurb had obvious signs of display wear with the on screen buttons and notifications tabs burning in after a week of use. Other than that it was a great little display, especially for what was a mid range phone. I don't really have anything bad to say about it.

The Nexus 6's screen was horrible and was a big reason why I got my HTC 10 as soon as possible. On both of my phones (sent the first one back to USB port failure) the display was extremely warm. If I had to guess the color temperature was around 3400k which looks like someone relieved themselves on the phone. This combined with its typical low quality AMOLED screen being oversaturated just made it miserable to use. The only good thing that I can say about the screen is that it had true blacks.

My HTC 10 does the job even though its a pretty dim display. Obviously it doesn't have true blacks like AMOLED but it comes pretty darn close and I have no frustrations watching darker films or watching Netflix at night. Along with that, contrast is also great especially if you keep it on the more fun and appealing Vivid mode instead of color accuracy freak sRGB mode. I also really like the built in software feature to change color temperature. The coldest setting doesn't get close enough to my preferred ~6500K but its better than nothing.

I would love to return back to a high quality AMOLED display but i've been let down by the Nexus 6 so hard that I rather stick with IPS, Super LCD, whatever... until I get over my Samsung biases or other OEMs start to have good AMOLED screens.
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Yea, Apple's chips are the best in the biz. I'd love to know what their secret sauce is to making them so powerful. The A10 + app integration means that they are currently about a generation ahead of the competition.

I think its more of Qualcomm doing poorly than Apple doing amazingly good. After 801 they have not had a good SOC. 801 which is 3 years old is ~ 75% of the performance of CPU of 820. That is not good at all. Also we cant really compare Apple to Android because SOCs are used differently. We have not clue what Apple does with iOS. For all we know they could be cheating benchmarks. Samsung did it within Android.

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I prefer AMOLED if:

-its a high quality unit from Samsung instead of the usual second rate stuff they sell to other OEMs
-the display is calibrated to have a reasonable amount of saturation without completely throwing color accuracy out the window
-it hasnt began to degrade and/or burn in.

I've used AMOLED before with two Moto X 2013 and two Nexus 6.

The Moto X 2013 had a pretty good display. It was 720p but the PPI was there. I didn't really have any complaints about it. I ended up breaking my first one (oops) and the second refurb had obvious signs of display wear with the on screen buttons and notifications tabs burning in after a week of use. Other than that it was a great little display, especially for what was a mid range phone. I don't really have anything bad to say about it.

The Nexus 6's screen was horrible and was a big reason why I got my HTC 10 as soon as possible. On both of my phones (sent the first one back to USB port failure) the display was extremely warm. If I had to guess the color temperature was around 3400k which looks like someone relieved themselves on the phone. This combined with its typical low quality AMOLED screen being oversaturated just made it miserable to use. The only good thing that I can say about the screen is that it had true blacks.

My HTC 10 does the job even though its a pretty dim display. Obviously it doesn't have true blacks like AMOLED but it comes pretty darn close and I have no frustrations watching darker films or watching Netflix at night. Along with that, contrast is also great especially if you keep it on the more fun and appealing Vivid mode instead of color accuracy freak sRGB mode. I also really like the built in software feature to change color temperature. The coldest setting doesn't get close enough to my preferred ~6500K but its better than nothing.

I would love to return back to a high quality AMOLED display but i've been let down by the Nexus 6 so hard that I rather stick with IPS, Super LCD, whatever... until I get over my Samsung biases or other OEMs start to have good AMOLED screens.

As a current owner of both a Note 5 and 7 I can tell you Samsung's first party AMOLED screens are the best in the business, hands down. The new iPhone screen is very good but the Note 7's screen is flawless...

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I think its more of Qualcomm doing poorly than Apple doing amazingly good. After 801 they have not had a good SOC. 801 which is 3 years old is ~ 75% of the performance of CPU of 820. That is not good at all. Also we cant really compare Apple to Android because SOCs are used differently. We have not clue what Apple does with iOS. For all we know they could be cheating benchmarks. Samsung did it within Android.

how aboit 808 vs 820?
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how aboit 808 vs 820?

Everything after 801 has not been good. Yes 820 is faster than 808 and really its more like 818 than a 820.

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I think its more of Qualcomm doing poorly than Apple doing amazingly good. After 801 they have not had a good SOC. 801 which is 3 years old is ~ 75% of the performance of CPU of 820. That is not good at all. Also we cant really compare Apple to Android because SOCs are used differently. We have not clue what Apple does with iOS. For all we know they could be cheating benchmarks. Samsung did it within Android.
I think the gaming benchmarks are probably reliable. You can't really cheat on them.

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I think the gaming benchmarks are probably reliable. You can't really cheat on them.

The new iPhones probably carry PowerVR Series7XT Plus. It's the fastest GPUs for mobile phones out now.

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After 801 they have not had a good SOC. 801 which is 3 years old is ~ 75% of the performance of CPU of 820. That is not good at all.
Maybe worst case scenario. Most of the benchmarks I'm looking at the 820 CPU is usually 2x faster or more plus the GPU is several times faster. No doubt Qualcomm is behind Apple in SoC's at the moment, but I'd wait to see their next one before writing them off. It has happened before where Apple had a small improvement in performance (iPhone 6) which allowed its competitors to surpass it the following spring. I don't think Apple has ran away with it just yet; it's still a game of leapfrog to me.

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Everything after 801 has not been good. Yes 820 is faster than 808 and really its more like 818 than a 820.

how much faster?
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