[VIDEOCARDZ] AMD has revealed the latest roadmap for Ryzen architecture. - Page 4 - Overclock.net

Forum Jump: 
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #31 of 156 Old 12-12-2017, 11:23 PM
Overclocker
 
salamachaa's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 1,242
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 79
Is Ryzen 2 on this roadmap Ryzen+ or Ryzen 2? If AMD secretly put all of their money into launching Ryzen 2 now instead of Ryzen+, that would be pretty crazy.
salamachaa is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #32 of 156 Old 12-13-2017, 04:28 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: 'merica
Posts: 492
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 45
Quote:
Originally Posted by salamachaa View Post

Is Ryzen 2 on this roadmap Ryzen+ or Ryzen 2? If AMD secretly put all of their money into launching Ryzen 2 now instead of Ryzen+, that would be pretty crazy.
This "new" roadmap shows ryzen 2nd generation/zen+/zen 14mm+/pinnacle ridge and is basically just a summit ridge shrink and fix (depending on which rumor you believe of course). Zen 2 isn't until 7nm matisse and 2019 at the earliest.



ryan92084 is online now  
post #33 of 156 Old 12-13-2017, 08:35 AM
 
guttheslayer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 2,886
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 108
Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle View Post

20% uplift is unrealistic. AMD is already nearly at parity with Intel clock for clock, and Intel struggles to eek out more than a few percent between generations. I do not expect AMD to surpass Intel in IPC.

Did intel really struggle or did they just sit back and slp so they can continue to milk their customer?

guttheslayer is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #34 of 156 Old 12-13-2017, 09:07 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
ku4eto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Bulgaria , Sofia
Posts: 2,779
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 109
Quote:
Originally Posted by guttheslayer View Post

Did intel really struggle or did they just sit back and slp so they can continue to milk their customer?
Ofcourse they sat and milked... If AMD with is 100 times lower budget can make 40% jump and make a competetive product... It makes sense.

Avatar from the manga : GATE - Thus the JSDF Fought There!
Can be found on Bato.to website.

Previous Hardware:Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
CPU:
Intel Pentium 2 400 @400Mhz, AMD Athlon Orion 1000 @1Ghz, AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1000B @1Ghz, AMD Athlon 64 LE-1640 Orleans @2.6Ghz, OC to 2.9Ghz, AMD Athlon 64 X2 5050e Brisbane @2.6Ghz OC to 2.9Ghz, AMD Phenom II 960T @3.6Ghz 1605T 2.8Ghz CPU-NB

GPU:
Voodoo 3, GeForce2 MX 400, GeForce4 MX 440, Inno3D 7300GT 256MB AGP8X, Sapphire Radeon X550 256MB PCI-Ex16, PowerColor Radeon HD6950 1GB

Monitors:
Belinea 17" CRT, KTC 17" CRT, HP 19" Office monitor.
ku4eto is online now  
post #35 of 156 Old 12-13-2017, 09:37 AM
PC Gamer
 
Cysquatch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 997
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 72
If Motherboard manufacturers can muster up some decent mini itx options in the new chipset, I may consider a switch rolleyes.gif
Cysquatch is offline  
post #36 of 156 Old 12-13-2017, 02:47 PM
New to Overclock.net
 
kd5151's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 2,242
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 133
Wait for Ryzen -

sneaky.gif
kd5151 is offline  
post #37 of 156 Old 12-13-2017, 08:08 PM
New to Overclock.net
 
Dopamin3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: PA
Posts: 10,746
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 1357
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cysquatch View Post

If Motherboard manufacturers can muster up some decent mini itx options in the new chipset, I may consider a switch rolleyes.gif

I think Asrock did a pretty good job with the Fatal1ty B350 / X370 Mini ITX boards. Should be same for new chipset.
BiG StroOnZ likes this.


Chimp Challenge Participant  2 Million+ Folding at Home points 

Dopamin3 is offline  
post #38 of 156 Old 12-13-2017, 08:20 PM
 
guttheslayer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 2,886
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 108
Quote:
Originally Posted by ku4eto View Post

Ofcourse they sat and milked... If AMD with is 100 times lower budget can make 40% jump and make a competetive product... It makes sense.

I am saying before ryzen comes to play.

Referring to sandy bridge era to current kaby lake which is before ryzen and is extremely disappointing with 5% ipc per gen. To me that is milking and they are still trying to milk because ryzen haven overtake them “yet”

guttheslayer is offline  
post #39 of 156 Old 12-14-2017, 12:36 AM
New to Overclock.net
 
AlphaC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 8,094
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 805
5,000 rumors flying around...

There's only one metric that is semi-official, GlobalFoundries' +10% performance from 12nm LP vs 14nm on the same power , along with 15% area reduction (transistor density). It will also likely improve on Precision Boost 2 from Ryzen mobile, making XFR more potent when multi-threading & cross CCX latency.

Let's not overhype it. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than woefully disappointed.

Right now Zen is around Broadwell IPC but lacking some clockspeed and AVX2 (AVX-256 bit is split into 128-bit) runs slower. Keep in mind a normal i7-8700k runs AVX at 4.3GHz (4.1GHz if with -2 offset) all core boost, with MCE and -2 AVX offset you're looking at 4.5GHz.

Due to Amdahl's law, I believe AMD's biggest issue with Ryzen is it doesn't clock very high so unless IPC is improved along with clocks it needs a hefty clockspeed boost so that it isn't held up by a main thread. This will be slightly alleviated with an improved Precision Boost 2 & XFR. Unless power target bumps up to 125W from 95W then any larger gains (>10%) will need to be from tweaks to the Ryzen design.

For example,
Quote:
Originally Posted by https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/answers/330885-does-matlab-use-the-avx-instruction-set-if-so-what-version?requestedDomain=www.mathworks.com 
The AVX support in MATLAB is limited to Linear Algebra functions and 'FFT' functions. The Linear Algebra support started in R2011b, and 'FFT' support started in R2012b. In some cases, the AVX support improved incrementally, so with newer MATLAB versions, you may see improved performance gain.

MATLAB takes advantage of the AVX2 instruction set through the MKL library only, meaning the usage is limited to linear algebra operations.

For example, element-wise operations such as +, .* would not use AVX2. But matrix multiply *, or backslash / would use AVX2.
meaning MATLAB would benefit from clockspeeds or IPC gain regardless of the AVX2 differences to Intel CPUs

& the poor threading of anything Autodesk including simulation:
Quote:
Originally Posted by https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/cfd/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Hardware-recommendation-for-Simulation-CFD-2016.html 
In CFD there is roughly a 20% speed up when moving from 4 to 8 cores and an approximate 10% speed up when moving from 8 to 16 cores.

& Solidworks

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/SOLIDWORKS-2017-Coffee-Lake-CPU-Comparison-i7-8700K-i5-8600K-i3-8350K-1053/

& Euler3d CFD benchmark (memory reliant)

https://techreport.com/review/32642/intel-core-i7-8700k-cpu-reviewed/13

Keep an eye on Adobe (Premiere, After effects, Lightroom, Photoshop, etc), ANSYS, Autodesk (Autocad, Maya, Inventor, Revit, etc), and Dassault Systèmes (Solidworks, CATIA) results.
keikei and Yttrium like this.

CPU-Z Validations
Spoiler!
Recommended GPU Projects: Einstein@Home , Milkyway@Home (Tahiti , Cayman , Cypress Radeons) (AMD moreso)
Other notable GPU projects: Asteroids@Home (nvidia), GPUGrid (nvidia) , Universe@Home (Tahiti , Cayman , Cypress Radeons with double precision) (AMD)
Project list

BOINC Pentathlon 5x Participant  

AlphaC is offline  
post #40 of 156 Old 12-14-2017, 10:02 AM
PC Gamer
 
Cysquatch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 997
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 72
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dopamin3 View Post

I think Asrock did a pretty good job with the Fatal1ty B350 / X370 Mini ITX boards. Should be same for new chipset.

I did read good reviews on those boards. It'd be nice to have more than 4 options, 3 of which blind me with red accents on the boards sicksmiley.png
Cysquatch is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off