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Sorry if I appeared rude, but its just that every time a new card comes out, everyone with the next most recent card screams about how pointless it is.

Do you remember when the 8800GTS 512mb first came out? There were posts all over the place about how it was pointless, it was a ripoff for the extra $50-70, about how an 8800GT clocked to the same speed was nearly the same performance... sound familiar?

Now a month or two later, how many folks in this thread have the "pointless" 8800GTS 512mb instead of the "non-pointless" 8800GT? See what I mean here?

This is the EXACT same situation.

Is the 9800GTX gods gift to gamers? NO. Absolutely not. Is it a newer, better overclocking G92 revision? Most definitely from what I've seen so far.

Its all naming convention, if you follow past releases, think of the jump from 7800 to 8800 series, great advancements in performans, but 8800 to 9800 is just a small revision, thats why people are complaining, so the 9800 is really a new "series" its an updated 8800 series

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No, I disagree with you. When it was the GTS vs the GT, the GTS had bigger advantages when the price came down from the "early adoption" stage. The GTS was always the better pick, abeit, pricier allowed for better overclocks, stock cooling owns and. The GTS was a better deal at the time, certainly not pointless. I'd take the GTS over the GT any day.

Furthermore, this is NOT the excact situation. The GT and GTS have different specifications, different shader count. The GTS and the 9800GTX are almost identical.

The only advantage I see in the GTX, is the two power connectors which allow more stable current for higher overclocks. Otherwise, performance difference is marginal, and the GTS is better in every other way.

Yes, it is the same exact situation, because all of the folks that like to come out of the woodwork and complain every time a new card comes out were saying the same thing then as well.

At the time that the GTS 512 came out, the price differential vs. the GT was just as unjustified as is claimed in this case. This doesn't have anything to do with the extra 16 shaders.

I owned an 8800GT at the time, and remember people crying about how the GTS 512mb was "totally pointless" or "a waste" all across the internet. Now all of a sudden the 9800GTX becomes the target.

I also made a comparison to the 8800GTX/8800Ultra. This is EXACTLY the same. A bunch of people using price to bash a new core revision so that they don't have to feel bad that they aren't on the bleeding edge any more.


Also what do you mean by "better in every other way"? The only thing better I see about the 8800GTS 512mb I see is the price. Unless you somehow see tighter ram timings as "better" instead of "different".



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Its all naming convention, if you follow past releases, think of the jump from 7800 to 8800 series, great advancements in performans, but 8800 to 9800 is just a small revision, thats why people are complaining, so the 9800 is really a new "series" its an updated 8800 series
I completely agree.

This card should not be called the 9800, it should be called the 8900GTX at most.

Predatory marketing on Nvidia's part IMO, but buyer beware, and it still doesn't change the fact that the 9800GTX is a decent card.



edit: Is that really any worse than ATI skipping from 2900 to 3800 just because of a die shrink? I don't think it is.

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I had been saying from the beginning (and others as well).... a 9800GTX is basically the same card as the 8800GTS G92. Same core revision, number of shaders, memory bus, memory size, etc. The only difference I can see (besides slightly different frequencies) with the 9800GTX is that it can do OpenGL 2.1 opposed to 2.0 on the GTS - which doesn't mean much.

Price-to-performance wise, the 9800GTX is an terrible purchase compared to the 8800GTS G92. ATM, the lowest price 9800GTX on Newegg is $330, while the lowest price 8800GTS G92 is $100 less at $230 ($200 after MIR). Buying the 9800GTX right now would be a very poor purchase decision.

IMO, I think it's kind of a joke that nVidia labels this card as a "new" 9000 series and sells it for $100 more (a 43% increase!) than basically the exact same 8800GTS G92.

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I had been saying from the beginning (and others as well).... a 9800GTX is basically the same card as the 8800GTS G92. Same core revision, number of shaders, memory bus, memory size, etc. The only difference I can see (besides slightly different frequencies) with the 9800GTX is that it can do OpenGL 2.1 opposed to 2.0 on the GTS - which doesn't mean much.

Price-to-performance wise, the 9800GTX is an terrible purchase compared to the 8800GTS G92. ATM, the lowest price 9800GTX on Newegg is $330, while the lowest price 8800GTS G92 is $100 less at $230 ($200 after MIR). Buying the 9800GTX right now would be a very poor purchase decision.

IMO, I think it's kind of a joke that nVidia labels this card as a 9000 series and sells it for $100 more than basically the exact same 8800GTS G92.
they're just tryin to make money for the 9k series name xD

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That's why you should buy a 8800GTS now while you can get it.
Look at the 8800GS.
It's going to be re-incarnated as the 9600GSO
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they're just tryin to make money for the 9k series name xD
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There is no difference in OpenGL capabilities of these cards.

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Remember when everyone said the 8800Ultra was a ripoff? Then they realized that with the revised core they typically OC'ed MUCH better than an 8800GTX, and all of a sudden everyone was buying them.
The Ultra has never not been a rip off. And the A3 rev core eventually made it into pretty much every G80 card.

The G92s in current 9800GTX cards are still A2s.

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Remember folks, you are comparing the retail price of a four day old card to one that has been out for a few months.

How is this something new? Newly released cards are almost NEVER a "good deal". Give it some time and eventually the magic of supply and demand will cause the price to fall right to where it needs to be.

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Remember folks, you are comparing the retail price of a four day old card to one that has been out for a few months.

How is this something new? Newly released cards are almost NEVER a "good deal". Give it some time and eventually the magic of supply and demand will cause the price to fall right to where it needs to be.
8800 gts 640/320, gt, and gtx were all very good deals for the amount of performance they brought when they were first released

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Sorry if I appeared rude, but its just that every time a new card comes out, everyone with the next most recent card screams about how pointless it is.

Do you remember when the 8800GTS 512mb first came out? There were posts all over the place about how it was pointless, it was a ripoff for the extra $50-70, about how an 8800GT clocked to the same speed was nearly the same performance... sound familiar?

Now a month or two later, how many folks in this thread have the "pointless" 8800GTS 512mb instead of the "non-pointless" 8800GT? See what I mean here?

This is the EXACT same situation.

Is the 9800GTX gods gift to gamers? NO. Absolutely not. Is it a newer, better overclocking G92 revision? Most definitely from what I've seen so far.
I have to disagree with you here, when the G92 8800GTS first got released along with the benchmarks a lot of people suggested the G92 8800GTS if you run at higher resolutions since the 8800GTS has more shaders and a better dual slot cooler along with the ability to overclock beyond 800MHz consistantly, the 9800GTX offers nothing over the G92 8800GTS.

Also, a lot of people upgraded from the old G80 8800GTS due to the fact that the G92 8800GTS was quite a bit faster. The thing that pisses off a lot of enthusiasts is the fact that Nvidia tried to release these cards based off of the older G80/G92 architecture and sell it for more when it preforms around the same or even worse at times than a nearly 3 year old card (8800GTX).

The difference's from the 6800 to 7800GTX to 7900GTX to 8800GTX were all huge (over 100% increase in performance or more) and the difference is supposed to be huge. When your older card's are outperforming what Nvidia tries to call its next gen card than that is extremely messed up especially considering that the 8800GTS can be bought for a lot less and overclocked higher/perform better than Nvidia's latest GTX card.

Bottom line = When your last gen GTS card is outperforming the latest next number up GTX card than there is definitely something wrong.
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