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post #1 of 14 Old 08-14-2016, 06:08 PM - Thread Starter
 
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Hi overclockers,

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Dell 3007WFP-HC

I just started to play old multiplayer games again after 10 years gone -- Descent 1, and Descent 3. I also have played Dragon's Age Inquisition and some of other new games but they didn't give me eye strain like Descent 1-3 do right now. I am highly competitive in Descent games even though there are only a handful of old veterans around. Overload, a new 6dof game, will come out next year and I want to be ready for all of them. Price is not much of a concern.

I used to play on an old CRT Sony trinitron which I think had at least an 85Hz refresh rate. I always had my framerate capped at 60-65 frames because the mouse control on these games changes based on framerate. I never got eye strain problems on a CRT.

I'm wondering, how can I solve this (besides buying an old CRT)? I get noticeable eye strain after an hour. I've now spent like 3+ hours learning about Gsync, Freesync, input lag, etc

1. Are there some settings to try that can help with eye strain? Vsync is not an option as it increases input lag

2. I read that the Freesync/Gsync should help with eye strain, but they don't have anywhere near the low input lag of something like the BenQ XL2720Z -- are there any freesync or gsync monitors with low input lag/response time?

3. Does resolution affect input lag? I like a big monitor, but it seems all the best gaming monitors are 24 or 27 inch. Is there no way to get a 30+ inch screen with low input lag/response time? I noticed a lot of the bigger montitors like 29 inch 21:9 or 34 inch wide are high res but have more input lag and response time. If I load my games at a lower resolution than the big ones they do at max, will it reduce my input lag to an acceptable level? Descent 1 for example plays at 640x480. I can play descent 3 at any resolution but it has been nice at 1920x1200.

In an ideal world, I'd be able to buy a large screened monitor and have low input lag/response time. Is that even possible, or do I have to buy a 27inch?

I read articles with tech chart comparisons, and the 27 inches could get down to 1ms response time and like 3-4ms input lag, but something like a 29-34 inch 21:9 seemed to have 2-4ms response time and as low as 11ms input lag. That may not seem like a big difference to most, but I have played a ton of LAN and have noticed when LAN got a bit laggy, e.g. when a ping went from like 8ms to 25 or so.


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1. Yea brightness turn the brightness down, my friend gets headaches from 144hz he plays at 120hz. On most monitors you can just turn it all the way down and have fine visibility.

2. From my experience gsync is bad for competitive gaming, and i haven't heard about it reducing eye strain, and it doens't typically reduce eye strain when i use it.

3. resolution won't effect lag, as long as it doesnt effect your framrate. Not sure about those old games though, i'm not a game programmer. You really need 150+ frames for anything competitive.


There's a new monitor that just came out, it's better then that benq for comp gaming. 180hz https://rog.asus.com/24022016/gaming-monitors/unboxing-the-rog-swift-pg248q-180hz-gaming-monitor/

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First you should try setting your monitor's brightness to 100% to get rid of pwm backlight flicker. That's a main source of eye strain there. On top of that use the game mode if it's found in the osd.

Also that 1ms response time is mostly marketing gimmick.
Input lag depends completely on the monitor. Some 144Hz Gaming monitors can have multiple times the (input+pixel response) lag of an S-series Dell.

See tftcentral.co.uk for more info.

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1. Make sure you're not using your monitor trough a VGA connector. VGA can sometimes give horrible flicker because it carries an analog signal. Always use digital inputs/outputs - HDMI, DVI, DisplayPort. I personally had an issue with VGA flicker and it was giving me horrible headaches.

2. Turn down the brightness to where it feels comfortable to you. 120cd/m2 to 200cd/m2 is the normal brightness for desktop use, depending on the lighting conditions of course. Color professionals calibrate their monitors to as low as 80cd/m2. LED monitors in particular are really really bright (like 350cdm/2 bright), so running them at 100% is not really an option. Keep in mind that reducing brightness below 100% on the vast majority of CCFL and LED monitors will indroduce flicker, the type of flicker that constantly switches the backlight on and off very fast. This strains your eyes as well.

3. Consider buying a PWM flicker free backlit monitor. Familiarize yourself with the issue here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/pulse_width_modulation.htm
Most new mid-tier to high-end monitors are flicker free.
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OK, I just tried full brightness (i was playing at lowest), if anything I think I strained faster. I basically can't play my favorite multiplayer games now because the eye strain ruins the rest of my day making gaming not worth it. Ugh. I am considering just buying the BenQ XL2720Z or BenQ XL2730Z and dealing with a slightly smaller monitor.

I did look up absolute input lag and the BenQ's above are fantastic for it. I wish there was a bigger monitor with less input lag, but anything above 27 inches seems to introduce over double the input lag, from 9-11ms to 25ms+ which is semi-significant in twitch games. Not the end of the world but the competitor in me has a hard time buying something I know is technically a disadvantage. Part of me wonders if I should just buy an old CRT trinitron like I use to have, and set up a seperate gaming station for these older games. I already have an XP system to run one of them. No input lag or eye strain ever from a CRT.
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My wife uses these glasses for long-term computer and outdoor uses to filter light. She is on my computer (3 screens with brightness in them middle) and doesn't really get eye-strain from the computer, but we have also added a backlight to the monitor. The backlight helps me a lot since I do not have any glasses that filter light (just normal glasses).

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01698T0FC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Check out some gaming eye wear: http://www.gunnars.com/
You see gamers and streamers wearing these all the time.
I have a pair and do notice a difference.

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Check out some gaming eye wear: http://www.gunnars.com/
You see gamers and streamers wearing these all the time.
I have a pair and do notice a difference.

MLG lol


Not sure how much those are, but you can get off-brand for way cheaper most likely:
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A lot of TVs and monitors come set to crazy high brightness levels to stand out in stores. Try turning the brightness down to a reasonable level...that usually helps for me.
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