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post #21 of 28 Old 10-08-2013, 01:45 PM
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Out of the responses thus far, gotta give the thumbs up to willibj's plan. Makes the most sense, is balanced, and stays relatively within your assumed budget. *However*, I'm interested in what mobo you have. Your current CPU has a number of factors against it; can only be stably overclocked to ~2.6 Ghz, has low L2/L3 cache compared to modern processors, and would definitely bottleneck the bejeezus out of the 780. If you're able, I would upgrade the CPU and RAM, though 6 GB really isn't horrible, you could stay with it. If you keep your current CPU, it is a must that you max overclock it. If you keep your current components, modestly update them and just get the 780, you will not have to worry about a GPU for at least 3 years, and can wait a year to completely upgrade the rest of your rig.

He will definately need a better CPU. its simply too slow to effectively handle modern MMORPGs.
Not even an ivybridge M at 3.2ghz was capable, i had to step up to a ivyM and overclock to 4ghz to really get mmorpgs to handle well.

He should definately go for a better CPU situation first.
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True, MMORPGs would bring his system to a near standstill because of the CPU.

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Out of the responses thus far, gotta give the thumbs up to willibj's plan. Makes the most sense, is balanced, and stays relatively within your assumed budget. *However*, I'm interested in what mobo you have. Your current CPU has a number of factors against it; can only be stably overclocked to ~2.6 Ghz, has low L2/L3 cache compared to modern processors, and would definitely bottleneck the bejeezus out of the 780. If you're able, I would upgrade the CPU and RAM, though 6 GB really isn't horrible, you could stay with it. If you keep your current CPU, it is a must that you max overclock it. If you keep your current components, modestly update them and just get the 780, you will not have to worry about a GPU for at least 3 years, and can wait a year to completely upgrade the rest of your rig.

i have http://www.asrock.com/mb/NVIDIA/ALiveN570SLI-eSATA2/

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True, MMORPGs would bring his system to a near standstill because of the CPU.
a minimum of 4ghz, and ideally 4.3~4.5ghz range.
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i have http://www.asrock.com/mb/NVIDIA/ALiveN570SLI-eSATA2/

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Ah, ok. The mobo specs really aren't that bad, supports up to 16 GB and has a second x16 lane running at x8, so you really could just SLI by grabbing a duplicate of your GPU, would place in near-ish 770 performance. However, the weak link in the mobo is supported CPU's. The max it supports is the Phenom x4 9950; at best it OC's to ~3.2-3.3 Ghz, and that is with ultra premium air cooling. It also has the same level of L2/L3 as your current proc, so not good in that area either. It all depends how much you play high count multiplayer games like MMORPGs, and how much you can find CPU and second GPU for (~$160?). I have the feeling that it would just be more cost effective in the long run to start fresh.

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I have the feeling that it would just be more cost effective in the long run to start fresh.

This is what led me to my suggestion. You can cut it so many ways, but an original Phenom system is not going to be sufficiently upgradeable, and either a CPU or GPU upgrade without doing the other will leave you definitively unbalanced. If you're going to slap together a new system there's only a few solid, logical options with the size of budget you have, so we end up at an i5/i7 or 8350 and a high end (but not enthusiast) GPU.

It all leads me down the same path as my first suggestion when I think it through. Balanced, upgradeable, cost effective, future-ready.

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Ah, ok. The mobo specs really aren't that bad, supports up to 16 GB and has a second x16 lane running at x8, so you really could just SLI by grabbing a duplicate of your GPU, would place in near-ish 770 performance. However, the weak link in the mobo is supported CPU's. The max it supports is the Phenom x4 9950; at best it OC's to ~3.2-3.3 Ghz, and that is with ultra premium air cooling. It also has the same level of L2/L3 as your current proc, so not good in that area either. It all depends how much you play high count multiplayer games like MMORPGs, and how much you can find CPU and second GPU for (~$160?). I have the feeling that it would just be more cost effective in the long run to start fresh.

Most MMORPGs do not take advantage of multiGPUs. A 2nd GPU isn't a good idea when it comes to MMORPGs. When it comes to MMOs a single GPU configuration is a better idea for compatability.

Although they are playing FFXIV which does have multi GPU support.
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yeah the ALiveN570SLI-eSATA2 doesn't have an updated BIOS with the correct agesa code to enable support for am3 cpus so in that case a new motherboard and CPU is required so if your plan to go with an AMD CPU/motherboard this time around i would say go for an 8320/6800k or if you want to go Intel this time around a 4670k/4770k i would recommend keeping your current GPU an upgrade to a 780 isnt really worth it you should be fine using the 560ti

if you play MMORPGs mostly more cores isnt really going to help you need stronger cores so overclocking is something you maybe want to look into

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