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I would have been happy with an open-ended 1x slot tbh

Moving in the right direction though! biggrin.gif

You could just cut it open if you really wanted. It would probably void your warranty, but its a pretty cheap board, so might be worth the risk if its something you really need/want?
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why H110... H170 would be perfect, hell even B150 would be better.
H110 by the way doesn't have M.2 slot support, so its really is a bad choice.

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M.2 support is trivial to add. It's a PCIe x4 slot with a fancy connector, and in fact some 990FX motherboards have them.

If you mean the "flex I/O" that allows it to switch between PCIe and SATA modes, I wouldn't doubt it. But the slot itself is nothing fancy and doesn't take too much work to add.

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yes i meant the flex i/o, PCI-e SSDs meant for M.2 are still rare or expensive, they're still mostly SATA based.

M.2 simply saves a lot of space its logical to have at least one of it on every board, specially on ITX/DTX boards.

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Actually, flex I/O is pretty stupid. They could just use a jumper to switch modes. Flex I/O takes up two SATA ports for one drive, which is fine for PCIe but idiotic for SATA. Then again anybody using mDTX probably doesn't have too many drives lol.

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SATA is old world technology these days. Yes, it's still massively in use, but it's not the future. PCIe is the future.

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is implementing SAS ports on consumer products still more expensive than SATA?
i think SAS should take over, despite being quite old itself.

SAS protocol is backwards compatible with SATA, so theres no issues in regards to compatibility either.
the advantages however are numerous, most of which are targeted to reliability and performance.

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Well it does generally cost a bit less to produce something as the volume goes up, so if SAS were available in consumer systems, it would be a bit cheaper to implement, but it is still likely to cost more due to the fact that SAS is more complex. Consumer systems don't need the additional reliability, and the potential additional throughput is already diminished by the presence of NVMe and PCIe connections to drives, whatever format that takes.

That said, when it comes to cramming stuff onto small boards, I wish they'd start using mini-SAS HD connectors instead of a slew of SATA and SATA Express connectors. Not only is the latter DoA anyways, but you could fit 4 ports into the space of 2-3 SATA ports (though a mini-SAS to SATA breakout cable), and could also use it for PCIe drives, saving on redundancy (since motherboards have already started seeing those connectors for U.2 drives)

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a simple 2 port SAS controller built into the chipset can support 8 SATA drives, this alone simplifies the layout on the PCB.

as for the U.2 port, its not exactly a SAS port, a modified SAS port to be exact?
the original SAS ports doesn't support PCIe passthrough.


edit: according to what i've read, U.2 isn't a mini-SAS HD port.
U.2 ( SFF-8639 ) is a flat connector derived from SFF-8680 SAS port.



the mini-SAS HD port we see is actually a different port.
i don't even know how they ended up with U.2 becoming a mini-SAS HD port.

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