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post #31 of 93 Old 11-12-2012, 09:19 PM
 
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You've only made one post and it was made posting nonsense... Congratulations.
Fact is, every review on the internet has praised its build quality, balance, and how it feels to handle. The visible screws which you claim as poor quality was a design decision to give it a more industrial and utilitarian look and feel since Microsoft is marketing it as a more functional tablet(which it is).
Why should anyone care how Windows runs on ARM? How is that a merit to be argued or a demerit? The ARM chip outperforms a similar x86 chip(Atom) in real world workloads but I doubt you would have been disappointed. If seeing Windows on a different instruction set was the highlight of your Surface experience then you can't be trusted to give an objective point of view.


First do you believe every review site out their? Sales will tell the whole truth and the truth that will come to light and already is coming to light, is the Microsoft surface is a fail. Give Microsoft some time and they will redesign or discontinue the surface line all together.

Have you actually use the device and compared it to others? People want nice looking and functioning devices not bulky and cheap looking. Look at the top selling Android devices and Apple devices. You think Apple made billions off selling devices that look and feel like a dated calculator? Do you think the top Android phone and tablet manufactures did the same?

Also, why should anyone care how Windows and office running on Arm! Because the average user is not a power user and Microsoft office is the 1# office program use in the world by just about every business and student and professor, etc.. The simple fact is, it shows what can run on a power sipping chip and if you are not impressed, then I am so profoundly lost as to what to say. I am now running in circle and trying to grasp why someone would not care about such a great program running on a power sipping chip.

Considering I make a living writing code, I would have to say seeing office run on an Arm based device was the highlight of my surface experience. Do not worry your favored x86 will be around long enough to keep you happy, so smile smile.gif

Face it the device is a fail smile.gif why wast money on the surface old school calculator feel, when you can get the ASUS, Apple iPad, or an Android tablet?
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First do you believe every review site out their? Sales will tell the whole truth and the truth that will come to light and already is coming to light, is the Microsoft surface is a fail. Give Microsoft some time and they will redesign or discontinue the surface line all together.

Have you actually use the device and compared it to others? People want nice looking and functioning devices not bulky and cheap looking. Look at the top selling Android devices and Apple devices. You think Apple made billions off selling devices that look and feel like a dated calculator? Do you think the top Android phone and tablet manufactures did the same?
Also, why should anyone care how Windows and office running on Arm! Because the average user is not a power user and Microsoft office is the 1# office program use in the world by just about every business and student and professor, etc.. The simple fact is, it shows what can run on a power sipping chip and if you are not impressed, then I am so profoundly lost as to what to say. I am now running in circle and trying to grasp why someone would not care about such a great program running on a power sipping chip.
Considering I make a living writing code, I would have to say seeing office run on an Arm based device was the highlight of my surface experience. Do not worry your favored x86 will be around long enough to keep you happy, so smile smile.gif
Face it the device is a fail smile.gif why wast money in the surface old school calculator feel, when you can get the ASUS, Apple iPad, or and Android tablet?

I think your hate of the surface is blinding you. The surface is a really nice tablet. Overall its too pricey for me. I personally like the new samsung win 8 tablet.

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I love how people keep bringing up the cost to build and then compare it to the selling point. Here is a question for all of you. How much time and money did MS spend on its manufacturing plant and staff to get to the point where it would cost only $271 to build each tablet? Last time I checked the bill of materials has nothing to do with manufacturing (tooling and maintenance), employee, and logistical costs.

Let me know when one of you guys start making your own tablet manufacturing plant and sell fully built products for the price of the assembly and materials.

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I think your hate of the surface is blinding you. The surface is a really nice tablet. Overall its too pricey for me. I personally like the new samsung win 8 tablet.

I disagree about the surface, but agree about the Samsung, especially the pro series. I planned to buy a pro serious Samsung...

The surface is an overprice dated calculator. I think some people feel they have to support it and do not realize that Microsoft will make there real money off there software and x box licensing deals. And they will eventually leave the tablet making and designing to the pros, hopefully they leave the tablet making and designing to the pros smile.gif

If you have not use it yet, please do. The only way to understand and truly judge a device is to use and physical compare it to other devices. In this day and age a lot of the review sites are for hire or care to much about there reps with the manufacture vs the customer/viewer/info seeker.
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I think a lot of people, like me, are waiting for the other windows tablets and the Windows 8 Pro versions to start coming out before pulling the trigger on one of them.

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I really like that Asus Vivo Tab. Same price as the Surface but you can get the keyboard dock for free through the end of the year...
It sucks.

I bought one a few days ago and will be promptly returning it when my Surface shows up tomorrow. I fell in love with it (more specifically, I fell in love with Windows RT. Unbelievably well done.) at Best Buy, and since it was the only Windows tablet they stocked, I bought it. I also love the concept of the detachable keyboard, and Asus executed it very well.

The one problem? The hardware Asus spits out is cheap crap. As I began using it more frequently, I continued to notice little (some big) problems with the build quality.

First, if you press on the screen around the edges of the tablet, it actually visibly goes down, complete with a creaking sound, as though it is not securely attached to the chassis. Second, the power and volume buttons are very awkward to press as they are at a weird angle. Fourth, the rubberized plastic flap that covers the MicroHDMI port is EXTREMELY flimsy, and if you just brush your hand over it the wrong way, it pops out and just hangs there. Fifth, the full size USB port on the dock was off center internally from the opening on its chassis, making it difficult to plug in a USB device, and very hard to unplug them.

Finally, the last straw that made me say !@#$ it and order the Surface, a horrible, bright white dead pixel showed up on the screen. My last laptop was also Asus and had similarly awful build quality. Asus put out nothing but cheap crap, and it is unfortunate as their dock solution is currently the best on the market, IMO.


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I forgot to mention the WORST problem of the VivoTab RT. Knew I was forgetting something. The screen brightness is controlled by a cheap PWM. What does that mean? It means that unless your brightness is all the way up, you can notice the screen "flickering" between a narrow range of brightness. The dimmer you set the brightness, the worse it is. At, and close to the lowest setting, it is completely unbearable, especially in a dark room. It gives me a bad headache and makes it very hard to focus on things on the screen. I thought my unit was just faulty, but if you search Google for "vivotab rt flickering", you will see people with the same issue. Literally unbelievable. Cheap piece of crap.
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Pretty boring news

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I believe the non pro should have been much cheaper. The general public don't care about specs nor do they understand them. It would have been interesting to see MS put together a truly budget surface with the same awesome touch screen and instead of having the higher specs it would be mid range with software that still allows it to fly. That is pretty much what I would have wanted from the surface pro.

Even so, I don't like like the way MS is running things and my hate towards them is completely persona so either way I wouldn't have brought a surface. They practically pushed me into the open source market where I found a happy community who were more than willing to help me find me out.

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Maybe if they weren't selling it for twice the cost of building it. I get it, people are preaching "oh R&D this, marketing that", but that's a load of crap. M$ is a mega billion dollar a year company, they could have easily afforded the R&D on this product without putting it out for twice it's construction cost. Take a hint from Amazon and Google. They're putting their tablets out at cost or just a few dollars above cost and their tablets are wildly successful. It's called putting out a loss leader, and M$ is just getting greedy about it. This tablet would be going like mad if it were 300-350, but no, it's 500. Cut the price, and quit trying to make up your R&D, marketing, w/e costs up right away and give it some time. Hell even at $300, the tablet itself would profit $29. Not much, but when you start selling several million units because your product is more accessible, then add in all the apps those several million users are going to be buying over the next few years, and i'm quite positive the profits would be pretty handy. Seems to be working splendidly for Google and Amazon, they can hardly keep up with demand when they put their newest tablets out for cost. Hell, I went into a Gamestop the Friday before last, to play with a Nexus 7, then when I went back in a few days later to pick up my copy of Halo, they were sold out again.

You know the average consumer doesn't care less about any of this right? Neither does microsoft, you try reach the best point with price/demand and keep it there; microsoft has clearly done a brilliant job of this, heck they've done a little worse than they should have by making it too cheap if there's still demand after it being sold out.

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