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post #31 of 111 Old 06-13-2012, 08:24 AM
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I seriously don't get this whole "Draconian DRM" thing. I'm pretty sure most of the people who throw the term around don't even know it's origin and meaning. Most of you guys just like to jump on the bandwagon. It's not "Draconian DRM", it's the game's design. It was designed as an ONLINE MULTIPLAYER game. It doesn't matter that D2 was offline and online, D3 isn't. Deal with it.

It is much easier to control the game when most of it is server-side. It is easier to design and program. It is easier to manage. It is easier to integrate online gameplay and the auction house. As a bonus it is also easier to enforce DRM but that is NOT the main intention. If you don't can't be online to play or you don't accept that it is always-online, then don't buy it.

Think of the game as a MMO - I don't hear people complaining that you always have to be online in WoW. It's essentially the same thing. They could have released a single player offline version but that would just be ridiculous and against the intention of the game. True, D3 could be modified for single player offline play, but Blizzard is free to design and create their own games as they see fit and you have the option to buy the product or not.

Blizzard is already being more than accommodating by offering refunds that in most cases they aren't required to do. Stop complaining. The launch was rough and I do agree that it has taken too long to fix some problems but Blizzard is not out to get you with its "Draconian DRM". Honestly, I don't even think the game is that good but the "DRM" shouldn't be an issue and if it is don't buy the game. It's simple.

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I seriously don't get this whole "Draconian DRM" thing. I'm pretty sure most of the people who throw the term around don't even know it's origin and meaning. Most of you guys just like to jump on the bandwagon. It's not "Draconian DRM", it's the game's design. It was designed as an ONLINE MULTIPLAYER game. It doesn't matter that D2 was offline and online, D3 isn't. Deal with it.
It is much easier to control the game when most of it is server-side. It is easier to design and program. It is easier to manage. It is easier to integrate online gameplay and the auction house. As a bonus it is also easier to enforce DRM but that is NOT the main intention. If you don't can't be online to play or you don't accept that it is always-online, then don't buy it.
Think of the game as a MMO - I don't hear people complaining that you always have to be online in WoW. It's essentially the same thing. They could have released a single player offline version but that would just be ridiculous and against the intention of the game. True, D3 could be modified for single player offline play, but Blizzard is free to design and create their own games as they see fit and you have the option to buy the product or not.
Blizzard is already being more than accommodating by offering refunds that in most cases they aren't required to do. Stop complaining. The launch was rough and I do agree that it has taken too long to fix some problems but Blizzard is not out to get you with its "Draconian DRM". Honestly, I don't even think the game is that good but the "DRM" shouldn't be an issue and if it is don't buy the game. It's simple.

It's an mmo, where you can solo the entire game by yourself...but you'd better be online.

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It's an mmo, where you can solo the entire game by yourself...but you'd better be online.

I never said it was a MMO, but it's really not far off. It is an ONLINE MULTIPLAYER game that you can play solo if you so choose. There are many ONLINE MULTIPLAYER games out there that apparently don't have "Draconian DRM" even though they require you to be online.

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Just wanted to make sure before I said anything. I haven't played nor am I likely to.

Blizzard was probably the Dear in the sights when the "PSI" was ready to pull the trigger. Rumor has it that the next XBox is going to require an online connection for the games which is moderately ridiculous. What if you live somewhere with an unreliable or no connection. That's my theory anyway. wrong place wrong time.

Maybe if you didn't need to connect every time (in general not specifically D3). If you just had to check in every week or two. At least you could play the game(s) of which I have a few that have this type of drm. But have full playability without multiplayer. For example when I'm installing windows in a different computer and have it plugged in instead of my pc.

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I never said it was a MMO, but it's really not far off. It is an ONLINE MULTIPLAYER game that you can play solo if you so choose. There are many ONLINE MULTIPLAYER games out there that apparently don't have "Draconian DRM" even though they require you to be online.

There are also many singleplayer games out there, with multiplayer components, that allow offline singleplayer usage.

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There are also many singleplayer games out there, with multiplayer components, that allow offline singleplayer usage.

And there are many multiplayer games out there with NO single player support. What’s your point?

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And there are many multiplayer games out there with NO single player support. What’s your point?

This. How is D3 different from any other multiplayer game without single player support? Nothing, except that it differs from D2 (it's a different game) and that people had impossible expectations.

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And there are many multiplayer games out there with NO single player support. What’s your point?

And a lot of those games are either mmos or ftp online games. And if they aren't people often complain (especially if they played $60 for it)
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This. How is D3 different from any other multiplayer game without single player support? Nothing, except that it differs from D2 (it's a different game) and that people had impossible expectations.

How is being able to play offline an impossible expectation for a game with a single player component? It's something that you can do with most games today.

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It's an mmo, where you can solo the entire game by yourself...but you'd better be online.

 

Sounds like Star Wars The Old Republic...

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And a lot of those games are either mmos or ftp online games. And if they aren't people often complain (especially if they played $60 for it)
How is being able to play offline an impossible expectation for a game with a single player component? It's something that you can do with most games today.

The single player component is closely tied with various online components such as the AH and a vast majority of players only ever play online. It isn't economical to waste resources on the minority, it's basic business operation. Blizzard is out to make money and they can't satisfy everyone.

As for the impossible expectations, I was mostly referring to the fact that people have been building anticipation for D3 for a decade and have built it up to be something of godly proportions. Many people feel personally betrayed and are nit-picking any little thing they can. It just so happens that DRM tends to be a hot topic these days and everyone and their grandma are riding the bandwagon.

That said, I will be attempting to get a refund on my copy later today but NOT due to the supposed DRM. D3 just isn't anything special and doesn't keep my attention like D2 did.

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