Originally Posted by thiussat
OP is a rep of a custom water cooling store. Do you think he would be friendly to CLC's? Nah, he wants you to spend $1,000 on a custom water loop. i get it, it's his job. He wants you to spend $40 for a little metal fitting and $100 on a pump that costs $5 to manufacture. If that's what people want to do, go for it. Lots of people waste money on all kinds of hobbies and that's fine as long as you realize you really aren't going to get much pay-off for your investment.
Now, there's no doubt a custom loop will usually give better performance. They have higher flow rates for one. But the difference is not big enough for me to spend many hundreds or thousands of dollars on. Sorry, it's just not. Especially nowadays that CLC's have gotten so much better than they were 5 years ago.
And it's hysterical how the OP bashes glycol coolants when he sells them on his site. Not only that, he sells toxic Ethylene Glycol coolants and then claims they were certified as "safe" in an EPA lab. Note how the lab is EPA certified -- a clever use of words to trick you into believing the EPA itself has approved it as safe. They don't. They haven't. They never will. Ethylene Glycol is highly poisonous. 200mL can kill an adult human.
If you're going to run a custom loop, go buy some inhibited Propylene Glycol (PG) and some distilled water. That's all you need. PG is the safe alternative to Ethylene Glycol and is what is used in most commercial anti-freeze products today. EG was phased out decades ago (at least for consumer use). PG is safe to eat, drink or inhale. I am sitting here inhaling PG right now on my vape. PG has slightly lower thermal conductivity than EG, but it's not by much.
Inhibited PG can be had online for $25 a gallon. Search for Biodiesel stores (people who build their own biodiesel engines and run their own solar panels use inhibited PG as a coolant).
"wants you to spend 1,000$" are you kidding?? the dude sells COOLANT and COOLANT ADDITIVES....
lol your exaggerations are ridiculous, and sure, just because the OP produces a product that can only be used with custom loops, does not imply the connotations you make here... Have you ever considered the fact that maybe some people like you say, have hobbies that they love and enjoy, and then end up somehow creating a business or profiting from said hobby? Watercooling is a niche market..... even after all this growth, every single company out there (even one as big as EK) still started as 1 guy who was simply an enthusiast whom loved to overclock.... so dont bring your negative corporate motivations in here because its just not true....
the only way CLCs have gotten better is in the sense that they have steered toward CUSTOM loop characteristics.... You cant sit there and make broad statements about custom loops and play them off as fact because custom loops are just that... CUSTOM, so every single one is different, built for different purposes.... and regardless, you say yourself that you wouldn't build a custom loop of expensive components so obviously you could never speak for any sort of characteristics or direction behind one.
Its just so annoying for me when I see people like you talk in such a fashion.... because its just ignorance at its finest. It always makes me wonder if you go up to people who are driving Ferraris. or Lamborghinis, or wearing Rolex watches and then make the same silly remarks to them.
Originally Posted by bluej511
Yes we can just like my first loop was and in terms of temps i wouldn't say its light years ahead. Even a custom loop will cool a cpu as well as a high end air cooler i dont disagree there, like i said i went from 54°C to 50°C from Noctua to a custom cpu loop with a 240mm rad so that should say something, once i added another rad run bare die i run 1-2°C cooler but with 120mv MORE. And again where it matters is when overclocking, not too many air coolers can stay under 60°C with 1.3v like my loop can.
For quietness nothing beats air coolers we know that for FACT, the thing is most people watercool CPUs thinking there going to get better temps and thats just not true, like i said unless you do a custom loop with at least a 360 rad but then again the ekwb predator 360 does the same thing haha. Where watercooling matters the most is for GPUs as those make the most noise and most heat. I dropped 30°C from mine and much quieter while gaming.
again, trying to speak in regards to custom loops in the way you have is simply not factual.... CUSTOM is case-by-case and specially crafted for each individual....
and regardless, with that being said, your belief that a custom loop isnt that big of a difference is RIDICULOUS. You must have done something way off when building your first loop or just lacking basic fundamental understanding of heat and fluid dynamics.
My first loop was VERY basic and I still had a 25c difference on average with my CPU and 40c nearly with my graphics card.... I was using an Asrock M8 with a 4770k, even with stock clocks and the side panel off, at 100% load with prime 95 my CPU couldnt get a single core under 70c when stress testing and was LOUD. After building a custom loop with JUST a 120mm radiator and a swiftech apogee CPU block that has an integrated DDC pump, my CPU was averaging right around 50c per core under the same stress testing parameters.
Its really simple guys.... just look at the bigger picture, its not hard to understand how the typical components that people use when building their custom loops have HUGE advantages over a simple AIO.