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So, I'm going to upgrade it.

First off, some basic details:
  • It currently is a Celeron Dual Core E1200 running on an Asus P5KPL-CM with 2 gigs of DDR2-800.
  • It runs Windows XP SP3 + Apache (for Windows) + PHP and MySQL for wordpress. The install is from xampp which is basically your all-in-one turnkey setup for idiots like me.
  • Also have an IDE RAID controller with the thing that I can't get rid of. Will therefore retain the 3Ware RAID setup when I transition it all to my new 'puter.

So, with that in mind, upgrade my board and CPU!

I'd prefer a microATX motherboard and a relatively low-power CPU. I want to know your particular favorites because I am aiming for hardware that operates so reliably I can concentrate just on the software side of things. So incidentally, an HTPC rig you've put together would translate well to this purpose.

My budget is prolly about $200 Canadian.

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With the CPU you're currently using I assume this is a personal or small business site and won't be seeing too much traffic.

So unless you're running some serious server-side webapps you should upgrade the RAID controller, HDDs, and network card before the board/CPU. And also make sure you've got a router that can handle the connections.

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Well, supposing I do all the upgrades in one shot - SATA, board AND CPU.

Then what'm I looking at?

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Well, supposing I do all the upgrades in one shot - SATA, board AND CPU.

Then what'm I looking at?
Well if you get a decent RAID card and NIC (and enable jumbo frames) that will alleviate nearly all the CPU overhead on I/O, allowing it to concentrate on just the PHP and database.

As for what you'd need for that, well, how many users are you seeing at a time? And have you monitored the current CPU usage at all?

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Hmm. I haven't done in-depth CPU load tests but TBH I've been very reluctant to install anything other than Wordpress utilizing PHP and MySQL, more for reasons of security than CPU load.

I have been asked if I would host a forum and I declined at the time on security grounds; I hosted one of my own once before and the database suspiciously got corrupted (I won't get into detals but the group for which I was hosting it - we had persistent problems with a few kids that liked to be wiseasses) so we moved to external host providers.

If I could solve the security (which I think I would be able to do a bit better since there are patches and updates for PHP) then I'll definitely want some elbow room for the CPU.

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Well the E1200 should have plenty of breathing room for starting a forum, then as it gets more popular start watching the CPU usage and see when it's in danger of becoming a bottleneck. When it does, that's when you need to upgrade. If the popularity is growing at a fast pace, then you'll need to make a big upgrade. If its not really growing fast then you can take your time upgrading it in small steps as well.

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Ci7 920 D0
Motherboard
E760 Classified
Memory
12GB G.Skill Titan DDR3-2000
Graphics Card
Waiting for HD5870x2
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Xonar D2X
Power Supply
Corsair 1000HX
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So your suggested parts would be? I do want to get a feel for what kind of guideline

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Athlon II X4 620
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Gigabyte 790XT-UD4P
Memory
Samsung DDR3-1333 / OCZ DDR3-1600 (4 GB total)
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Hard Drive
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So your suggested parts would be? I do want to get a feel for what kind of guideline
Well the way I would do this is:

- 2x WD 500GB Caviar Black in RAID1 for only the database, 64kB stripe size and 64kB clusters

- One of your old hard drives for the static data (HTML and PHP)

- One of your old hard drives for the OS and stuff

- Any good NIC you can find, such as the Broadcom NetXtreme II 5708, or Intel 1000 PT. But do not enable TOE. Do enable jumbo frames though, at 9k.

- A gateway that can handle a decent number of concurrent connections. Either look into DD-WRT devices, or build one out of an old PC using Untangle, Endian, pfSense, or other similar software (google them!).

- Possibly some more RAM as the database grows, for caching.

System: Obsidian Phoenix
CPU
Ci7 920 D0
Motherboard
E760 Classified
Memory
12GB G.Skill Titan DDR3-2000
Graphics Card
Waiting for HD5870x2
Hard Drive
1x Intel G2, 4x Intel G2, 1x Scorpio Black 320GB
Sound Card
Xonar D2X
Power Supply
Corsair 1000HX
Case
Corsair Obsidian 800D
CPU cooling
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Hmm, makes sense. I have some free RAID controller coming from someone which is taking a dog's age to get here but what the hey, it's a freebie. No, it's not a PERC.

I think I might settle on this setup then:

Gigabyte GA-MA785GM-US2H

Athlon II X2 240

I have the RAM and other parts to transfer over and this equipment would let me transition the server to a SATA/SATA-RAID basis in the future.

PS. This would be totally sweet if it wasn't for the fact that Core i5s cost an arm and a leg.

System: AMD Land
CPU
Athlon II X4 620
Motherboard
Gigabyte 790XT-UD4P
Memory
Samsung DDR3-1333 / OCZ DDR3-1600 (4 GB total)
Graphics Card
Asus EAH4670 1 GB
Hard Drive
Seagate 1 TB
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Antec 300
CPU cooling
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Oh PS, if anyone is wondering this picture shows what my IDE RAID controller looks like.

I will have to choose my motherboard with that in mind, initially, so I may look for a board in which the SATA ports poke out from the side at a 90 degree angle so as to not block the RAID controller.

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CPU
Athlon II X4 620
Motherboard
Gigabyte 790XT-UD4P
Memory
Samsung DDR3-1333 / OCZ DDR3-1600 (4 GB total)
Graphics Card
Asus EAH4670 1 GB
Hard Drive
Seagate 1 TB
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