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gamervivek · 09-02-09

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Originally Posted by saulin

Just before everyone starts talking about overclocking. I think it's clear that the GTX 285 is faster maybe not by much. Also pay attention to the minimum fps in benchmarks when the scores are very close.

Now about overclocking. All cards overclock different, some people add third party cooling to verclock way higher. Other volt mod and achieve insane overclocks, so you can't say ATI overclocks better or Nvidia overclocks better. So I think comparing cards are stock is the way to go. How far they overclock is always a bonus.

BTW good stuff you posted dude. I had seen many reviews and in most benchmarks the GTX will win but not by much. It does amaze me how close the GTX 275 is to the GTX 285 as well and is a lot cheaper. The 4890 goes head to head with the 275 and the benchmarks are almost exact.

yeah and thats why it amazes me the amount of money nvidia charge for the gtx285.And the way they set out to sell the gtx280@650$ and the gtx260@450$. And the way they rebranded their cards to sell off their inventory.And the way they tried to cover up the mobile chips fiasco.And the way they fought with intel over SLI.And the way they downplayed the DX10.1 sepc.And the way they are trying to make PhysX exclusive for their own cards.

But what amazes me more is people coming out to defend nvidia inspite of all this BS,with some blind allusion to ati drivers and saying it doesn't matter what a lower priced graphics cards can do when overclocked becuase the higher priced chip can oc as well.

A 150$ difference in price,difference in fps when the 4890 is overclocked almost negligible.Cut out the BS and thats the bottomline.

Chranny · 09-02-09

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Originally Posted by gamervivek

And the way they are trying to make PhysX exclusive for their own cards.
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Why wouldn't they? It's theirs to use and they make money from it.

criminal · 09-02-09

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Originally Posted by gamervivek

yeah and thats why it amazes me the amount of money nvidia charge for the gtx285.And the way they set out to sell the gtx280@650$ and the gtx260@450$. And the way they rebranded their cards to sell off their inventory.And the way they tried to cover up the mobile chips fiasco.And the way they fought with intel over SLI.And the way they downplayed the DX10.1 sepc.And the way they are trying to make PhysX exclusive for their own cards.

But what amazes me more is people coming out to defend nvidia inspite of all this BS,with some blind allusion to ati drivers and saying it doesn't matter what a lower priced graphics cards can do when overclocked becuase the higher priced chip can oc as well.

A 150$ difference in price,difference in fps when the 4890 is overclocked almost negligible.Cut out the BS and thats the bottomline.

Well said.

xxbassplayerxx · 09-02-09

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Originally Posted by saulin

Now about overclocking. All cards overclock different, some people add third party cooling to verclock way higher. Other volt mod and achieve insane overclocks, so you can't say ATI overclocks better or Nvidia overclocks better. So I think comparing cards are stock is the way to go. How far they overclock is always a bonus.

I agree with most of your post, but from my experience, the changes from RV770 to RV790 made it an overclocking beast. I think it would be interesting to see what the average % overclock was for the two, and what this means for performance. My Diamond XOC doesn't overclock very well... I can get it stable at 980/1151 with voltage at 1.4V. The Toxic, however, is stable at 1050/1210 and I think stock voltage on that is 1.4V as well.

This means the Diamond gets 15.3% OC on top of the reference 850MHz Core and an 18.1% OC on top of the reference 975MHz Memory, for an average OC of 16.7%.

The Toxic gets 23.5% OC on the Core and 24.1% OC on the memory for an average OC of 23.8%.

I think I'm going to run some benches and see what this does for performance. Then I'll start a thread.

saulin · 09-02-09

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Originally Posted by CrazyNikel

lmao the fanboyism has become so extreme on this site.

I don't mind people choosing what they like, I just dislike ATI users that talk so much crap about Nvidia and then try to excuse ATI's performance with their lower prices.

ATI has no choice but to sell at lower prices. Plus wow how many times have I seen. "Oh I used ATI and it was crap so I use Nvidia now" Where most ATI users bashing Nvidia probably haven't even used Nvidia products and they will try to bring the rebranding haha, the high prices, the nvidia logo in games and anything because they can't flat out say. Well I got ATI because it performs better than Nvidia. And when they say it we know they are lying.

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Originally Posted by xxbassplayerxx

I agree with most of your post, but from my experience, the changes from RV770 to RV790 made it an overclocking beast. I think it would be interesting to see what the average % overclock was for the two, and what this means for performance. My Diamond XOC doesn't overclock very well... I can get it stable at 980/1151 with voltage at 1.4V. The Toxic, however, is stable at 1050/1210 and I think stock voltage on that is 1.4V as well.

This means the Diamond gets 15.3% OC on top of the reference 850MHz Core and an 18.1% OC on top of the reference 975MHz Memory, for an average OC of 16.7%.

The Toxic gets 23.5% OC on the Core and 24.1% OC on the memory for an average OC of 23.8%.

I think I'm going to run some benches and see what this does for performance. Then I'll start a thread.

Something over 20% overclock on any card is huge man. Most cards need some voltage tweak for sure to achieve that plus some extra cooling. yes it would be interesting to see some benchmarks at that overclock

But I was also looking at the overclocking threads for the GTX 260s and 275s and damn do they overclock. the GTX 285 can overclock really good but needs a voltage mod. I'm not that hardcore. I think I saw someone with a GTX 285 at 800 Core from 648.

xxbassplayerxx · 09-02-09

Your inbox is full. PM me your email and I'll send the files. I can't recall what site I got them from and a google search isn't turning up any answers.

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Originally Posted by saulin

Something over 20% overclock on any card is huge man. Most cards need some voltage tweak for sure to achieve that plus some extra cooling. yes it would be interesting to see some benchmarks at that overclock

But I was also looking at the overclocking threads for the GTX 260s and 275s and damn do they overclock. the GTX 285 can overclock really good but needs a voltage mod. I'm not that hardcore. I think I saw someone with a GTX 285 at 800 Core from 648.

Yeah, the Diamond didn't want to go a cent over 925 Core, which is what it came at, without the voltage modifier. I just got a dud

But hooray for the ability to it some more juice.

GeneralCuster44 · 09-02-09

nice post thank you

Mygaffer · 09-02-09

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Originally Posted by dan7777

overclock them both the 285 leaps ahead but for price surpose the 4890 can"t be beat.

You got that one backwards, OC them both and the 4890 leaps ahead.

d3v0 · 09-03-09

the 4890 is not an overclocking beast, per se. It simply overclocks better than the RV770. Going from 850mhz to 1000mhz is <20% increase in core clocks. Find me any GT200 that cant go up 20% on the core. I have owned 6 GTX 260s and not one of them couldn't hit 702mhz. Thats +126mhz from 576mhz stock, or a 21.8% increase. By your exaggeration, that would mean that every GTX 260 is an overclocking BEAST.

That being said, I have not used a GTX 285 and have only used one HD4890, which wasn't impressive. It overclocked less than 10% from its stock clocks, even with increased voltage (via software, teh lulz), non-reference cooling and 6+8pin power.

By that token, if the GTX 285 is leading strongly (nearly 0 4890 wins) at stock clocks, then one could easily make the correct assumption that at their max overclocks, the GTX 285 would still hold a firm lead.

That_guy3 · 09-03-09

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Originally Posted by I_dalder_I

GTX 285 gets bashed on too much i think, its a hell of a chip powerful as heck. Maybe a little pricey but id take nvidia drivers over ati ones any day. Just IMO no need to start a flame.

For me using nvidia for 8 years and switching to this 4890 i have had 0 driver issues and 0 problems with anything this card is just pure insane!

Ive had mine for a week now and I payed $256.00 for mine with tax at Frys. It was worth every penny

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