[OCN] Creative's fall from glory - Page 78 - Overclock.net

R3ap3R · 03-31-08

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Originally Posted by jinja_ninja

Wow, just installed Daniel_K drivers and now I have all my EAX options back! Yay!

Up yours Creative

Daniel_K is a genius... he should be offered a job @ Creative, and then he should turn it down and tell them where to shove it.

Mattngsx · 03-31-08

HAHA to Creative. Onboard SOUND forever!!!!

You can't link the torrent but you can link to the page that has the link for the torrent. I believe this is ok???

Metalica732 · 03-31-08

WHY DID YOU SUBMIT THIS THREAD TO DIGG YOU FOOL!! Do you not remember what happned last time when the whole site went down because of that GFX ranking thread that was posted. You better hope all the server upgrades will protect against this because everything will be blamed on you.

*Murlocke* · 03-31-08

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Originally Posted by Metalica732

WHY DID YOU SUBMIT THIS THREAD TO DIGG YOU FOOL!! Do you not remember what happned last time when the whole site went down because of that GFX ranking thread that was posted. You better hope all the server upgrades will protect against this because everything will be blamed on you.

Fool? The servers are way faster than the last time we were dugg, admin recently upgraded the servers quite a bit... We've already surpassed the last digg by 400 people and the servers are still snappy and fast. We had permission from a mod to post it on digg to make sure the servers could handle it.

tehpwnerofn00bs · 03-31-08

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Originally Posted by Metalica732

WHY DID YOU SUBMIT THIS THREAD TO DIGG YOU FOOL!! Do you not remember what happned last time when the whole site went down because of that GFX ranking thread that was posted. You better hope all the server upgrades will protect against this because everything will be blamed on you.

Its been on digg all day. Hell, we even set the record for most people on OCN earlier today, and the site didn't even slow down. With our server upgrades, we're not one of those poor sites that get raped by the Digg effect.

sublime0 · 03-31-08

wow...... Dissapointing

Choggs396 · 03-31-08

1,800+ posts in 3 days! O.O

I think Creative may have just shot themselves in the foot with this one.... wow.

Soundzilla · 03-31-08

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Originally Posted by jinja_ninja

Have you had various Creative hardware fail on you?
Have you experienced their terrible "Support" service?
Have you used their Vista drivers with limited functionality?

If you can answer "no" to those questions, then please keep quiet.

Regardless of yesterday's Daniel_K events, Creative have been riding on a monopoly for years, selling a reasonable amount of defective produce. The recent events have basically brought the whole situation to boiling point.

As a matter of fact, I do have two Creative sound cards. An Audigy 2ZS and an X-Fi Platinum. They work perfectly and have done so for years. To me, not having to use their support service is a positive reflection on them.

I won't use Vista because Microsoft broke audio hardware acceleration by ripping out the guts of DirectSound. They removed the Hardware Abstraction Layer from Vista. No sense in blaming Creative for that. It looks more like Microsoft sticking it to Creative and consumers by requiring all the cool processing that the X-Fi does to be done by your host CPU instead of offloading it to the X-Fi.

The reason other sound cards don't have any trouble is because other sound cards don't have all the hardware processing horsepower that the X-Fi has built-in. Other manufacturers are simply providing codecs for clean audio I/O and any game audio processing follows the Vista model by processing at the host level.

People need to read up before flipping out and calling for Creative's head on a plate. This is a ridiculous overreaction by people who don't understand what Creative's hardware is designed to do. It isn't a simple on/off switch that magically does everything you want or doesn't.

Would you react the same way if Microsoft suddenly decided that everything your nVidia 8800 does could be done in software, so they removed hardware acceleration support in the next Vista update? Would that somehow be nVidia's problem?

*Murlocke* · 03-31-08

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Originally Posted by Soundzilla

As a matter of fact, I do have two Creative sound cards. An Audigy 2ZS and an X-Fi Platinum. They work perfectly and have done so for years. To me, not having to use their support service is a positive reflection on them.

I won't use Vista because Microsoft broke audio hardware acceleration by ripping out the guts of DirectSound. They removed the Hardware Abstraction Layer from Vista. No sense in blaming Creative for that. It looks more like Microsoft sticking it to Creative and consumers by requiring all the cool processing that the X-Fi does to be done by your host CPU instead of offloading it to the X-Fi.

The reason other sound cards don't have any trouble is because other sound cards don't have all the hardware processing horsepower that the X-Fi has built-in. Other manufacturers are simply providing codecs for clean audio I/O and any game audio processing follows the Vista model by processing at the host level.

People need to read up before flipping out and calling for Creative's head on a plate. This is a ridiculous overreaction by people who don't understand what Creative's hardware is designed to do. It isn't a simple on/off switch that magically does everything you want or doesn't.

Would you react the same way if Microsoft suddenly decided that everything your nVidia 8800 does could be done in software, so they removed hardware acceleration support in the next Vista update? Would that somehow be nVidia's problem?

I think your missing the point, Daniel's drivers have all the advertised features that you would have in XP. While creative's do not. So either creative is purposely not releasing these features (which are advertised) or they don't know how to code them in vista. The bottomline is, its possible to have all these features in Vista and creative is choosing not to do it and is banning the one member that made it possible from doing it. This is false advertisement, and it is illegal.

joemaniaci · 03-31-08

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Originally Posted by Soundzilla

As a matter of fact, I do have two Creative sound cards. An Audigy 2ZS and an X-Fi Platinum. They work perfectly and have done so for years. To me, not having to use their support service is a positive reflection on them.

I won't use Vista because Microsoft broke audio hardware acceleration by ripping out the guts of DirectSound. They removed the Hardware Abstraction Layer from Vista. No sense in blaming Creative for that. It looks more like Microsoft sticking it to Creative and consumers by requiring all the cool processing that the X-Fi does to be done by your host CPU instead of offloading it to the X-Fi.

The reason other sound cards don't have any trouble is because other sound cards don't have all the hardware processing horsepower that the X-Fi has built-in. Other manufacturers are simply providing codecs for clean audio I/O and any game audio processing follows the Vista model by processing at the host level.

People need to read up before flipping out and calling for Creative's head on a plate. This is a ridiculous overreaction by people who don't understand what Creative's hardware is designed to do. It isn't a simple on/off switch that magically does everything you want or doesn't.

Would you react the same way if Microsoft suddenly decided that everything your nVidia 8800 does could be done in software, so they removed hardware acceleration support in the next Vista update? Would that somehow be nVidia's problem?

Then why is it that daniel_k can do it on their hardware on vista?

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