dralb

umm, that would be because they are made to ATI's spec's and not nvidia.

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Cyth'Rawl

Ummm if ALL the chips are bad like the article is implying then why haven't we seen ALL owners complaining that their cards are bad?

How come all reviews of said cards also never had any issues?

Methinks its not all but a small percentage personally, otherwise this would be all over all hardware sites, and nVidia would be in deep doo-doo

dralb

I am not sure how you can say that, though. Say all the chips are bad, but it is only under a certain set of circumstances that would cause them to fail. I work for a m/c shop. We had a recall on oil tank caps as in the winter, any water that somehow got into the oiltank would freeze, it would cause the cap to split. The OEM added a releif valve of a sort to open and release any pressure caused by the expanding ice. Now, the chances that you have a motorcycle that not only got water in the oil tank (and, enough to cause this to happen) AND have the bike outside so it freezes is pretty slim. You could say all the caps were bad, but that is only half true. Yes, they all would fail, but the chances for all the criterion to be met was so slight that is was really a non-issue.

(actually, I am not even sure why they made it a campaign. I have to assume that someone important had this happen)

edit: Also, this was a BMW which, since most owners have the means, are usually kept in heated storage all winter. Not the kind of bike that you expect to be kept outside under a tarp.


Anyways, I am curious to see how this plays out. I am surprised that, assuming there is a major issue, that it hasn't surfaced more often.

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Cyth'Rawl

But they are saying that all chips are bad from like a two year MFG life-span. Im very surprised that from within that two years that they are saying that they are all bad now... Wheres the proof?... How do you get it to fail and show it fails consistently on every card based on those chips? A CPU/CHIP is very easy to replicate if they are ALL bad (Pentium FPU bug for example).

I mean really, the story came from Inquirer "moles"... Hardly the bastion of reliable information now is it?..

And the actual HP link on the said article (presented as "proof" no less - which made me LOL) is nothing to do with the GPU chip overheating.. its the Mainboard (which granted is nVidia based, but its not the GPU like they are making it out to be) that is overheating due to a bad BIOS profile being put into the notebook originally, if you don't have the issues (which I might add are Wi-Fi loss, total Power failiure and other things - Nothing GPU related except maybe the display issue) and flash to the new BIOS you dont get the issue. HP are replacing the motherboards on affected notebooks. It affects more than just the GPU it affects many things over the mainboard. My wife has one and her Wi-Fi card stopped working... due to overheating caused by a bad BIOS.. once its burned you cant get it back, but HP will swap the Mobo free of charge. It took less than a week for them to repair it and have it back at my house..

Granted I doubt I'll get a nvidia motherboard in a laptop again (I wont in a desktop either for that matter due to NF4 issues with Vista and nVidia's slowness to correct them and even acknowledge that they existed - But that's another story), but to run a story that ALL gpu's are bad with only conspiracy theories as proof, thats just borderline madness..

Its just typical Inquirer, We'll pull a hardware vendor out of the hat and find some minor crap and blow it out of proportion for great Justice and story telling malarky...

Nothing to see here, move along now..

Lelouch

Read the article.. Thanks..
If they are just starting, then in the next few weeks/month you should start seeing alot more failures popping up.

This also depends on the manufactoring date.

Rhythmeister

Ati Ftw?

Cyth'Rawl

Sorry to burst your bubble, but HP had that link up since early February... that's a LOT more than a few weeks/months already.. In fact the Bios to FIX the issue has been out since Nov 2007.. The Notebooks we got that are affected were bought in November 2006. Just HOW long do we need?

I read the article, and they are just pulling straws because some "mole" told them some dirt....
They have no proof whatsoever that its the GPU causing any failures.. None... Zip... Nada...

Telling readers to go to the forums to check is stupid too.. Goto Asus's, Abit, DFI's, hell even ATI Forums.. there you will find hundreds and hundreds of users with problems with their boards. Perhaps they should run smear stories on them too, seeing that their products are obviously ALL defective too..??

Besides its currently cool to Diss Nvidia atm it seems.

If you are taking the Inquirer's as the reliable source then I'm sure you think the Daily Star or the National Enquirer are papers filled with facts that are totally true on a daily basis. Hell even The Onion is more truthful than the Inquirer to be quite honest... I'm amazed that some of you take it as gospel.

Once I see a statement from the OEM's supposedly affected by the so-called "GPU" Problem (Funny how it could be a Motherboard issue just like HP claim it is already) or I see some factual write up on it from Ars, or Anannd, or another more reputable site that knows what they are doing, then I'll believe it.. as it is I will take it with a pinch of salt personally. Remember they were SO RIGHT with this story too..

In the case of HP its been the motherboard from day one. and it doesn't affect ALL of them like they said it does (remember they said ALL of them now). We have three of the same notebooks from the same batch in the family, one has failed...the others have not.. All are used on a daily basis