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iandh · 09-21-08

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Originally Posted by pauldovi

I have to agree with you. Although I don't really regret my purchase of the 4870, it would have probably of been smarter to get the GTX260 because of the better service from the resellers.

I don't like EVGA however. I purchased a card on Ebay and when I registered the card I bought the advanced RMA thing for ~$8. Well later I found out that because I bought the card on Ebay that I am not elligable for warranty service (retarded) and upon reading EVGA's TOS I found that I could have my advanced RMA service cancled and the money transfered to "EVGA Bucks". Well after several emails and phone calls the EVGA reps were either quite rude to me or were just plain useless. Eventually they said they would have the money transfered to EVGA Bucks but after a year they still haven't done it.

My main reason for allegiance to evga is that they are only about 50 miles from me, so I get next-day shipping speeds at ground prices. I actually have a little animosity as they shafted me on a MIR for my 6800GS way back... said that it was an invalid receipt, and I bought the card brand new from newegg.

Also, I do think the step-up is quite awesome as long as you purchase the cards right at release... if not then it can be rather unimpressive.

Is it specifically ebay that they are hating on? I thought that the warranty was fully transferrable if a used card changed hands.

Shin2k35 · 09-21-08

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Originally Posted by pauldovi

This is one of the most illogical comments I have ever heard, and I hear frequently. The graphics card is, as far as you are concerned, a black box. How it achieves the performance that you get out of it is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that it has performance and that the price is competitive, which it is.

Yeah that argument is retarded.

The 4870X2 does not require a CrossFire motherboard and it handled by the drivers as a single card (unlike Nvidia's dual GPU cards, which are handled as seperate cards in SLI by the drivers).

Cards that cost over $400 do not qualify in the "best bang for your buck" category.... And I bet to differ that the GTX280 offers better performance for the price than the GTX260 or the 4850.

I have to agree with you. Although I don't really regret my purchase of the 4870, it would have probably of been smarter to get the GTX260 because of the better service from the resellers.

I don't like EVGA however. I purchased a card on Ebay and when I registered the card I bought the advanced RMA thing for ~$8. Well later I found out that because I bought the card on Ebay that I am not elligable for warranty service (retarded) and upon reading EVGA's TOS I found that I could have my advanced RMA service cancled and the money transfered to "EVGA Bucks". Well after several emails and phone calls the EVGA reps were either quite rude to me or were just plain useless. Eventually they said they would have the money transfered to EVGA Bucks but after a year they still haven't done it.

The 4870X2 requires drivers for crossfire and also counts and registers as two cards. You are wrong.

The 280GTX offers better performance than the 4870, 260GTX and 4850. Fact.

"Bang for buck" is an annoying category and isn't ever a factor when you're comparing cards for best performance. That goes to, well, would you believe it, performance. Bang for buck doens't represent performance. Numbers do.

Single card solution. Best card. 280GTX. Best card for the price? 4870. Best overall? 4870X2.

However, it takes an X2, which is two GPU's (whether you are willing to admit that or not, that's the fact) to best a single Nvidia offering (280GTX) if you want, Tri-SLI bests the X2 crossfire.

I'm not a fanboy but I'm sick to death of this "ATI r winner this round" when the clear winner is the 280GTX. The best seller is the ATI cards. The best performer is the 280GTX. So when you're talking about winning rounds be sure that you get the facts straight and tell people that if they want the best they need a 280GTX.

(personally, I want the best with what I can afford so I'd go for the 4870. That still does not affect the fact. FACT. that the 280GTX is the best card avaliable on the market. Deal with facts. Not fiction)

voice · 09-21-08

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Originally Posted by Shin2k35

The 4870X2 requires drivers for crossfire and also counts and registers as two cards. You are wrong.

The 280GTX offers better performance than the 4870, 260GTX and 4850. Fact.

"Bang for buck" is an annoying category and isn't ever a factor when you're comparing cards for best performance. That goes to, well, would you believe it, performance. Bang for buck doens't represent performance. Numbers do.

Single card solution. Best card. 280GTX. Best card for the price? 4870. Best overall? 4870X2.

However, it takes an X2, which is two GPU's (whether you are willing to admit that or not, that's the fact) to best a single Nvidia offering (280GTX) if you want, Tri-SLI bests the X2 crossfire.

I'm not a fanboy but I'm sick to death of this "ATI r winner this round" when the clear winner is the 280GTX. The best seller is the ATI cards. The best performer is the 280GTX. So when you're talking about winning rounds be sure that you get the facts straight and tell people that if they want the best they need a 280GTX.

(personally, I want the best with what I can afford so I'd go for the 4870. That still does not affect the fact. FACT. that the 280GTX is the best card avaliable on the market. Deal with facts. Not fiction)

You don't make sense, you say the GTX280 is the best single card solution card available on the market, but the 4870X2 is one card and you also said it's the best overall currently. Could you please clarify your statement?

Also the 4870X2 doesn't require crossfire support on the motherboard, it uses internal crossfire (though it's a bit more than just "crossfire-on-a-stick"). Could you please direct me (and the others who will bring this up) to where it says otherwise?

Thanks,
Voice

zooterboy · 09-21-08

I can't believe people still argue about this stuff. Everyone has different experiences with each company, but mine won't be the same as yours. Whether you think an X2 card is one card or two is irrelevant; it's two GPUs on one card (usually with more problems than they're worth, IMO). The question is, does it work better or is it cheaper than buying two separate cards FOR YOU? It's arbitrary.

Nvidia has really not impressed me with their new cards. My 8800GTS is nearly identical in performance to the shiny new 9800GTX+. To which I have to wonder...why?? If I were going to use tri-SLI I might think about changing, but I'm not. After coming out with the GTX260 and 280, what sense does it make coming out with the + (other than the obvious marketing attention)?

I'm glad ATI finally got something right, if they hadn't, we'd all be stuck with $600 (or more) Nvidia cards. I think they were right on the edge of the abyss, with the recent performance of AMD chips...

dark_eternal_knight · 09-21-08

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Originally Posted by zooterboy

I can't believe people still argue about this stuff. Everyone has different experiences with each company, but mine won't be the same as yours. Whether you think an X2 card is one card or two is irrelevant; it's two GPUs on one card (usually with more problems than they're worth, IMO). The question is, does it work better or is it cheaper than buying two separate cards FOR YOU? It's arbitrary.

Nvidia has really not impressed me with their new cards. My 8800GTS is nearly identical in performance to the shiny new 9800GTX+. To which I have to wonder...why?? If I were going to use tri-SLI I might think about changing, but I'm not. After coming out with the GTX260 and 280, what sense does it make coming out with the + (other than the obvious marketing attention)?

I'm glad ATI finally got something right, if they hadn't, we'd all be stuck with $600 (or more) Nvidia cards. I think they were right on the edge of the abyss, with the recent performance of AMD chips...

+1

i had nothing but trouble with every nvidia subvendor i've used, don't think too highly of powercolor and sapphire anymore, and am getting sick of catalyst issues...

sLowEnd · 09-21-08

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Originally Posted by Shin2k35

The 280GTX offers better performance than the 4870, 260GTX and 4850. Fact.

True.

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Originally Posted by Shin2k35

"Bang for buck" is an annoying category and isn't ever a factor when you're comparing cards for best performance. That goes to, well, would you believe it, performance. Bang for buck doens't represent performance. Numbers do.

Too bad money is a concern for most people. Oh and in terms of raw performance, ATI wins with the 4870X2.

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Originally Posted by Shin2k35

Single card solution. Best card. 280GTX. Best card for the price? 4870. Best overall? 4870X2.

The best single card is the 4870X2
The best single card with a single GPU is the GTX280

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Originally Posted by Shin2k35

I'm not a fanboy but I'm sick to death of this "ATI r winner this round" when the clear winner is the 280GTX. The best seller is the ATI cards. The best performer is the 280GTX. So when you're talking about winning rounds be sure that you get the facts straight and tell people that if they want the best they need a 280GTX.

The best is the 4870X2 >_>
Nvidia wins nothing this round
They're competitive but they don't win anything

Lower end is taken by the 4670 (4670 > 9500GT)
Midrange is taken by the 4850 (4850 > 9800GTX)
Mid-high range is taken by the 4870 (4870 > GTX260)
High end is taken by the 4870X2 (4870X2 > GTX280)

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Originally Posted by Shin2k35

(personally, I want the best with what I can afford so I'd go for the 4870. That still does not affect the fact. FACT. that the 280GTX is the best card avaliable on the market. Deal with facts. Not fiction)

No, the best CARD is the 4870X2

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Originally Posted by Shin2k35

However, it takes an X2, which is two GPU's (whether you are willing to admit that or not, that's the fact) to best a single Nvidia offering (280GTX) if you want, Tri-SLI bests the X2 crossfire.

Who cares? It beats the GTX280. Performance is performance no matter how it's achieved.
And do you have proof that 3xGTX280 beats 2x4870X2?

Shin2k35 · 09-21-08

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Originally Posted by voice

You don't make sense, you say the GTX280 is the best single card solution card available on the market, but the 4870X2 is one card and you also said it's the best overall currently. Could you please clarify your statement?

Also the 4870X2 doesn't require crossfire support on the motherboard, it uses internal crossfire (though it's a bit more than just "crossfire-on-a-stick"). Could you please direct me (and the others who will bring this up) to where it says otherwise?

Thanks,
Voice

You just can't read.

I know full well that the X2 is Crossfire on a stick. But the point is it requires drivers to initate Crossfire on any motherboard and registers as two GPU's.

At what point did I call the X2 a single card? Is just after I specifically said that it's two cards? Why would I contradict myself? Oh, I didn't.

Thank you for your polite reply but you've just annoyed me. Cheers for that.

I said the 280GTX is the best single card. The 4870 is the best for the price and the best overall (you know that word, right? As in over and above all else?) is the X2.

I will not direct you anywhere. Please read carefully.

dark_eternal_knight · 09-21-08

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Originally Posted by sLowEnd

And do you have proof that 3xGTX280 beats 2x4870X2?

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Originally Posted by Shin2k35

I will not direct you anywhere. Please read carefully.

allow me to then...

linky may not be the most reliable, but it's something...

sLowEnd · 09-21-08

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Originally Posted by Shin2k35

But the point is it requires drivers to initate Crossfire on any motherboard and registers as two GPU's.

How is that important?

iandh · 09-21-08

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Originally Posted by zooterboy

I can't believe people still argue about this stuff. Everyone has different experiences with each company, but mine won't be the same as yours. Whether you think an X2 card is one card or two is irrelevant; it's two GPUs on one card (usually with more problems than they're worth, IMO). The question is, does it work better or is it cheaper than buying two separate cards FOR YOU? It's arbitrary.

Nvidia has really not impressed me with their new cards. My 8800GTS is nearly identical in performance to the shiny new 9800GTX+. To which I have to wonder...why?? If I were going to use tri-SLI I might think about changing, but I'm not. After coming out with the GTX260 and 280, what sense does it make coming out with the + (other than the obvious marketing attention)?

I'm glad ATI finally got something right, if they hadn't, we'd all be stuck with $600 (or more) Nvidia cards. I think they were right on the edge of the abyss, with the recent performance of AMD chips...

9800gtx+ is die shrink, lower production cost, lower heat output and higher overclockability, faster stock core so better competes with 4850.

Remember a vast majority of the market does not overclock. When thinking about these cards you have to think about stock vs. stock for probably 80% of the market when speaking in economic terms.

Considering that I couldn't get crossfire to work in Vista x64 on my board (tried different driver versions, fresh OS install, updates, mobo bios), the 4870X2 is pretty much eliminated for the time being until whatever incompatibility/driver issue I have is hammered out. That makes the GTX 280 the best card at the moment, although I chose a GTX 260 as a replacement for my 4870 due to reseller preference.

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Originally Posted by sLowEnd

How is that important?

See my above reason ^^

Crossfire doesn't always work perfect, in installation or in gaming. Same goes for SLI.

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