[Guru3d] 4870 vs gtx 260 (216) - Page 6 - Overclock.net

ryanrenolds08 · 11-20-08

I will take what wins 70% of the tests thank you. *Hugs my 260s*

Licht · 11-20-08

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Originally Posted by WhiteCrane

What is the significance of the 216 core on the GTX 260???

216 stream processors, not a core.

Flatliner · 11-20-08

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Originally Posted by Emotional Post-it Note

I should add that all of the benchmarks that they used (excluding COD4) favor Nvidia architecture.

I fail to see the point in these replies. Cards like these ate essentially built for gaming, and if most games gamers play happen to be optimized for NVIDIA based cards, then clearly NVIDIA is the choice, when it still wind in the numbers of course.

ryanrenolds08 · 11-20-08

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Originally Posted by Flatliner

I fail to see the point in these replies. Cards like these ate essentially built for gaming, and if most games gamers play happen to be optimized for NVIDIA based cards, then clearly NVIDIA is the choice, when it still wind in the numbers of course.

I hear ya. Of course they 'favor' Nvidia because Nvidia is running them faster.

If you all hate TWIMTBP so much then tell ATI to start spending some darn money. The couple games that have been ATI 'favored' still were ran faster using Nvidia hardware anyway.

No one complained about HL-2 Ep 2 having ATI all over it...and the GTX/ULTRA beat any ATI card performance wise in that game.

If ATI wins a benchmark its because they are the saviors of the world, if Nvidia does its because they 'paid off'(

) the developer. Seriously, both cards are great, but the 260 is a cheaper, faster, cooler running, quieter buy regardless of who they 'pay' for TWIMTBP.

/rant

WhiteCrane · 11-20-08

So the 216 is a redesign, a new GPU on an older card? Yes?

I'm looking all over for this info, but I can't find anything.

Have they redesigned the GTZ 280 as well?

ryanrenolds08 · 11-20-08

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Originally Posted by WhiteCrane

So the 216 is a redesign, a new GPU on an older card? Yes?

I'm looking all over for this info, but I can't find anything.

Have they redesigned the GTZ 280 as well?

No it is not a redesign. They simply opened up another shader cluster to raise the shader count from 192 to 216 (24 shaders per cluster).

They did this to allow for a little better performance to get a good lead over the 4870.

You mean the GTX? No they didn't do anything with the 280 as it already has all of its shader clusters active.

WhiteCrane · 11-20-08

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Originally Posted by ryanrenolds08

No it is not a redesign. They simply opened up another shader cluster to raise the shader count from 192 to 216 (24 shaders per cluster).

They did this to allow for a little better performance to get a good lead over the 4870.

You mean the GTX? No they didn't do anything with the 280 as it already has all of its shader clusters active.

Couldn't we have done that mod to the GTX 260 by installing custom firmware?

ryanrenolds08 · 11-20-08

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Originally Posted by WhiteCrane

Couldn't we have done that mod to the GTX 260 by installing custom firmware?

Not when the limitation is hardware related

Those clusters were shut off at the hardware level. Nice idea though.

criminal · 11-20-08

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Originally Posted by ryanrenolds08

I hear ya. Of course they 'favor' Nvidia because Nvidia is running them faster.

If you all hate TWIMTBP so much then tell ATI to start spending some darn money. The couple games that have been ATI 'favored' still were ran faster using Nvidia hardware anyway.

No one complained about HL-2 Ep 2 having ATI all over it...and the GTX/ULTRA beat any ATI card performance wise in that game.

If ATI wins a benchmark its because they are the saviors of the world, if Nvidia does its because they 'paid off'(

) the developer. Seriously, both cards are great, but the 260 is a cheaper, faster, cooler running, quieter buy regardless of who they 'pay' for TWIMTBP.

/rant

No, that is not what he meant when he said they 'favor' Nvidia hardware. What he means is that the games were orginally designed to take advantage of Nvidia hardware, more so than ATI.

Now having said that, I am not saying that Nvidia had an unfair advantage in those test. Just that developers tend to focus more on making the games run better on Nvidia cards vs ATI cards. That is why when ATI actually runs a game better than Nvidia, it is a much bigger deal than when Nvidia trounces ATI in a game.

If the developers choose to optimize their games for Nvidia hardware and the games actually do run alot better on Nvidia cards, then I say get an Nvidia card.

We just all need to remember why the GTX260's are now cheaper. It is because ATI stuck it to Nvidia with the introduction of the 4000 series.

I got an ATI card because I had used Nvidia for 2 years straight and I started to miss having an ATI card. Plus, I wanted the better image quality to go along with my frame rates.

Cubeman · 11-20-08

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Originally Posted by Emotional Post-it Note

Thanks for the link, good to see an i7 bench with these cards and the latest applicable drivers. I am however, still unimpressed in the 216's performance at higher resolutions and with anti aliasing.

I should add that all of the benchmarks that they used (excluding COD4) favor Nvidia architecture.

Well for AA Ati should win most if not All in the 4x AA field ever since the free 4x AA was given on a previous driver (Generally 1-2FPS lost though or nothing)

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