arctia

Exactly. Almost every early reviews of core i7 showed that it is only a tiny bit better than core2 in gaming (in some cases worse). But when someone finally tested it out on some quadfire and tri-SLI systems, the i7 completely blew core2 away on games that can utilize multi-GPU.

Phenom II platform as of now is still a budget computer. Sure it's no match for intel, but when the price is right, everyone will be a winner.

OC'ing Noob

Games are for the most part GPU bound now so even as the resolution and settings are upped, they are not an indicator of CPU strength.

Guru3D seems alone on this one. The problem here is that [H] was seriously excited about Phenom 2 since Phenom was a disaster compared to the Core 2, especially after you figure in the OC headroom. All of us true enthusiasts were seriously pulling for AMD and again, they failed to excite after all the hype.

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i totally agree with this, because..really..when they sort of disclosed the fact about 6ghz+ on liquid...you can surely expect roughly 4ghz on air or so, yet the chip is still loosing..sigh..idk man..if only intel boards were cheaper atm, i think i'd leave this phenom hype (while i was probably one of the most anticipated guys just like you all were) but really..i think the results will be more true, when we get newer boards that are "optimized" for phenom2, because atm, they're all just phenom1boards that are "compatible" with ph2, after a bios update.. so its really hard to make "final" thoughts at this point. id hate to go intel just because its so damn expensive. and i've been loving my 939rig sinve i've put it together and is STILL the only one i have, and most beloved...939 was really amd's glory days, too bad they gave up the platform so fast and totally went with a different socket..-am2, and that ****ed up eveyrthing.

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So then do you mind explaining why the Phenom II loses at low res to i7, then goes on to win at high res, and then loses again at high res with multi GPU's? According to what you just said, it should lose in every category. There's more going on than meets the eye.


Also, as far as [H]'s review, he used two testing scenarios that represent a TINY TINY fraction of the gaming community, and then procedeed to call the chip a loser. IMO Kyle is a loser and so is his biased testing. I suppose he forgot to include the fact that you could get a Phenom II 920 AND mobo for $4 more than you can get the i7 920 alone.

He doesn't properly represent the chip's target market, he doesn't represent the chip's target price range, and then proceeds to bash it. To put a cherry on top, douche vader even says that he likes Far Cry 2.

Yuck.

THEoBZ

Hi, I'm from overclock.net. I like to overclock, the Phenom II overclocks to 4ghz almost too easy.. wow! ya! woo hoo ya!!! I play video games, I bet a Phenom II will do just what I need!!! ya! woo ya!!! The phenom II cost almost half as much as a i7 rig..wow! ya! woo hoo ya!!!

I'm gonna have one hell of a time overclocking my Phenom II over 1ghz past the stock setting!!! ya wow woo hoo ya!!!!


This flame wars is retarded. Start realizing that yes AMD isnt the best, but they sure are going to destroy Intel for the budget area. Pfft no offence, but most gamers just wanna play games.... they dont want to be the fastest at Super Piss, or 3dmark.

Amd is a win, I'm loving what they are doing. They are really a top notch team this time around. They are working with nothing and giving us some that most of us can afford.

People want what they can afford.
Good job AMD!


This isn't always about whats the fastest. Half the crap these CPU's can do we will never even need...

I'm not going to lie i7 is a killer.... and Core 2 Quads are awesome CPU's.

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Xeoc

I want some 3dmark 03, 05, 06 cpu scores of these new chips. That seems to be the best way to compare these in games. Quad vs Quad of course. It would be nice if someone here can run those 3 3dmarks w/ a phenom stock and overclocked, and someone else w/ a c2quad at the same frequencies.

str8maniac

I really hate to see the biased opinions generating so much hate on here. I personally have used AMD exclusively for years, but only because they always provided the best bang for your buck before. I understand the way Intel markets their insane pricing, but I really don't agree with it either. With that said, the time for me to build a new rig is here, and so far Intel is what I am leaning towards because my funds have increased. I am also like a lot of Americans, that if I have the money I will buy the best of the best. I honestly hope AMD can pull it together because this area of market seriously needs competition to lower the prices for the end user. Just my two cents.

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I see no problems with them using the QX9770. It's not the CPU that matters, it's the architecture and clock speeds they were tested at. If they had used a Q9550, the results would have been skewed even more in Intel's favor since they would have used a faster FSB at the same CPU frequency.

3.2GHz is a speed ANY Yorkfield can reach, and most will reach 3.8GHz. My C1 X3350 (Q9450 equivalent) will do ~3.9GHz.

Also, AMD hasn't been the best bang for the buck for anything but the low end for years. Right now you can get a $110 mobo that will reliably take a $315 Q9550 to 3.8-4GHz. On the AMD side of things, a mobo of similar price can take a $275 Phenom II to 3.8GHz. You save less than 10% on the core components (CPU, RAM, Mobo), but will likely have roughly 10% less performance. There is no advantage in "bang for the buck" on the Phenom II side of things.

The Phenom II is much better than the original Phenom, and is currently competitive in it's price range, but only barely. As some of these reviews have mentioned, nearly all reason to go Phenom II would evaporate if Intel cut prices just a little. Of course, any price cut will be good.

ilhe4e12345

im just gonna throw this out there...

i have been AMD since the xp processors and ave loved them since. They have ever failed me and continue to impress me. I personally dont care about a 10 percent performance difference between processor or that one can run 35 applications while another can only run 30...seriousy guys and girls the processors that are coming out now a dyas are so bloody powerful, the only real reason people argue about it is becuas they want to flex their e-peen......seriously these forums are ment to give information and advice and chat....not complain, yell, argue and scream at each other.....

i understand that the intel processors are better in alot of tests, that didnt stop me from ordering my 920 Phenom 2 about 5 minutes ago......and it wiont stop me from buying AMD......the intel processors have been better for the past years...but no reason to flame the crap out of each other.....jesus


anyways im excited about getting my hands on the Phenom 2, i got myself the processor and a new water cooled liquid setup and i cant wait to play with the overclocking on it....i wil post my results when i get it....

LETS JUST BE FRIENDS!!!!

and just an fyi, dont flame me and call me a Fanboy....i do currently own anotehr gaming setup that has the intel 9550 and i love it...i own both brands and they both dominate....i could careless about running winzip 8 seconds faster, seriusly...kill yourself

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THEoBZ

Doh!! You should have gotten the 940...

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