MasterKromm

Intel needs to do a price cut for several reasons... first and foremost AMD has come out with a very competitive chip, clock vs clock P2 is faster than kentsfields(Intel's bargain quads, though aren't they all EOL?), it's also higher clocked than Intel's CPUs in the same price bracket(back in the day newbs bought P4s on that premise alone) and finally perhaps even more resounding than a revitalitized competition vis-a-vis AMD is our current economic condition and the disatrous effect it has had on Intel's 4Q guidance which it has revised twice(unfortunately for Intel in the wrong direction; isn't 1Q historically the worst time for tech sales??? IMHO it's going to get even uglier for Intel).

Anyhoo, as for AMD, I think they've come out with a real champ here. My only concern the timing, current global economic conditions are not conducive to PC(CPU) sales...

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LOL honestly the only reason i got the 920...was becuase i sort of only had 239 dollars in my checking account till tomorrow and i wanted it now...besides its like 35 dollars more for 200Mhz...which i can easy get the 920 that high lol...so not to angry with myself

But if i had the money at the time, you bet i would have gotten it

i will be posting results as soon as i get it so be ready like.....monday or tuesday

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OC'ing Noob

You misunderstood me... I meant that games are GPU bounded so gaming really doesn't represent the CPU. If you have a great CPU and a decent CPU, you will get similar fps anyways. If you cannot agree on that with me, that's cool. It's not something worth arguing about.

As far as H goes. I remember when that 6.3GHz deal came out, Kyle was seriously excited about it. I am guessing that he was disappointed in how things turned out.

I am still rooting for AMD simply because I am not dumb and enjoy cheap CPU's but let's keep it real here. Intel still has a considerably larger advantage here. I am sure you recall the Intel Dark Ages with AMD K8 and K9. Intel survived like half a decade of ineptitude with some serious price slashing. Unlike AMD's current condition, Intel has the financial resources to fight and sustain a LOOOOONG price cut war.

Here is what I know so far. Phenom 2 in terms of performance is a great CPU but it still doesn't take the cake. Then again it was never suppose to. However, at it's current price point, I see no reason to buy it over an i7 when Intel starts slashing prices for one simple reason. I would rather have an X58 chipset than anything AMD currently has to offer. Now if they lower the price, I will be more than happy to buy one for an HTPC!

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ilhe4e12345

i jsut got done reading the Guru3d review for the Phenoms and i msut say.....i really enjoyed the review. It showed what both the 920 and the 940 is capable of as well as the comparison to the i7.

After reading the review im very excited to have bought my 920. It should be here monday i hope and i cant wait to get my hands on it and really dominate this beasty with some overclocking and some game testing.

Ill have myself a nice little review for this once i get it with some screeny's

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iandh

The fact of the matter is that RIGHT NOW:

i7 920 + MSI X58 = $505

Phenom 920 + 790GX = $294

In high res gaming the performance is almost identical, whether stock or OC'ed.

When price slashes hit, we can revisit this conversation, but at the moment all we know is that there is going to be a price war... if the awesome AMD combo deals keep up, intel may not be able to slash prices enough to really hurt the low end Phenom II's. I don't want to open this can of worms too much, but intel did much more than just price slashing to keep AMD down while it was stale... I have inside knowledge of it as a matter of fact. My brother-in-law was a process engineer for intel, and my sister was an executive secretary. She's seen dirty laundry that the rumor sites only dream of. The numerous lawsuits currently in progress against intel support everything I've heard from her.

Not to mention which there are DDR3 tri-cores coming out very shortly which I have a feeling are REALLY going to put the smack down on the budget market.

AMD is aiming for the same strategy that they overtook the GPU market with and ATM it looks like they are very much on track if they keep their tri-cores and lower AM3 X4's priced very low.

I understand chipset, etc. is a matter of preference, but TBH intel has no chipset that can touch the 790GX for one reason... onboard video. People can build a game capable system with awesome HTPC/video encoding capabilities for WAY cheaper than even a comparable 775 system. Not to mention which, no more downtime when upgrading GPU's... I've already taken full advantage of that twice.

The 790GX chipset is one of the best budget chipsets I've ever used right next to the P35, but the kick-ass onboard just puts it over the top. I'm not really sure why you dislike it because honestly it is made of pure awesome IMO.

riko99

well that helped make my decision ill prob go 920 but ill see what the 940 prices are up here at my shops before i truley make my decision.

EDIT: Hmm seems like newegg.ca actually is living up to having great prices over competitors ....the 940 is priced at 323$ Cdn where at NCIX its 345$ (on rebate) and at Memory express its 379 looks like ill be ordering it off newegg lol.

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Slappa

The Phenom 2 940 is $275 and has an unlocked multi (Which IMO is no reason to make a chip cost $1000+) and can hit 3.2Ghz on stock cooling without batting an eye.

I can't believe that was not factored in.


False. A CPU test is not perfect unless it tests real-world situations. I dont think that anyone buying either of these quads are doing so to run low resolution games. They are bought for high end computer systems. Games WILL be run at a high resolution in the real world. And at high resolutions, the difference is negligible.

THEoBZ

True but the 920 isnt unlocked :S

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Renesis_8

Thats not all, pair it up with the SB750, and you have a top end board for very cheap. I do not think there are any differences in performance if you run 1 graphics card between the 790FX and 790GX.

The upcoming RD890 could OC the phenoms even higher. Hopefully AMD can lower the vcore needed a little bit, so the Phenom IIs can easily clock over 4GHz.

I might pick up a Phenom II a little down the road as well.

003

Are you conveniently forgetting the FX-53, FX-55, FX-57, etc... that all retailed for $1000+? And do you also believe that the Phenom II 940BE is priced at $275 out of the goodness of AMD's heart? Do you honestly believe, given AMD's current financial situation, that they would be selling it at $275 if it would be just as competitive at $500 or even $1000?

If you bothered to look at the other benchmark results, you would notice there is an entire page dedicated to real world benchmarks like encoding, decoding, file compression, etc... And yes, I am well aware that the Phenom II 940 performs similarly in games to intel's offerings when run at higher resolutions with the graphics turned up. I am not debating that. In fact, I think it's fantastic. That aside, the [H] review is looking at the actual power of the Phenom II/Deneb architecture as compared to Core 2 and Core i7. And to that end, it does a fantastic job. To turn a blind eye to those kind of reviews is extremely naive and is the mark of someone who is in fact, wait for it, a fanboy.

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