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Old 07-02-09   #31 (permalink)
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neat, always wanted faster external drives. this will probably kill off the external sata standard tho.
Not even close. After eSATA is adapted to work with the 6.0 Gbps standard, USB 3.0 won't have much room to fight. Chiel, shame for agreeing with him. I've given enough lectures on USB directly, you should know why it's wrong.

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Wicked can't wait. I remember Intel talking about transferring large collection of music to your 80GB iPod...thing is though, do the current iPods have the bandwidth in their iPod Data Ports..I don't think so. And since Apple releases them every year around Sep, Apple should be readying a USB 3.0 iPod for us this year right!?
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Wicked can't wait. I remember Intel talking about transferring large collection of music to your 80GB iPod...thing is though, do the current iPods have the bandwidth in their iPod Data Ports..I don't think so. And since Apple releases them every year around Sep, Apple should be readying a USB 3.0 iPod for us this year right!?
You need USB 3.0 ports on both ends. Since there are no USB 3.0 products currently, iPods definitely do not support it.


USB 3.0's real-world maximum is suppose to be like 300-400MB/s.
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There is a few 3's coming out

-USB 3.0
-SATA 3.0

Both coming soon as I see on the Asus P6X58 premium. Who knows how long until they are mainstream though.

-PCI Express 3.0

Anyone hear any details on a time frame for this one ?

I found this but it does not help much.
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Q9: What timeframe are PCIe 3.0 products expected in the marketplace?
A9: It is expected that early PCIe 3.0 products will emerge starting in the 2010 timeframe. Source
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My stuff doesn't support usb 2, how will it support this.
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My stuff doesn't support usb 2, how will it support this.
I wish that I could think like that.

I would be more worried about getting a new board with USB 2.0 then a bunch of stuff for USB 3.0 coming out. I am pretty sure that there will be a bunch of new flash drives that will come out not too long after USB 3.0 releases, since their speed is held back by USB 2.0 and there is a lot of companies competing for flash drive sales. That alone is enough to make want to wait a bit before buying a new board.
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There is a few 3's coming out

-USB 3.0
-SATA 3.0

Both coming soon as I see on the Asus P6X58 premium. Who knows how long until they are mainstream though.

-PCI Express 3.0

Anyone hear any details on a time frame for this one ?

I found this but it does not help much.
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In August 2007, PCI-SIG announced that PCI Express 3.0 will carry a bit rate of 8 gigatransfers per second. The spec will be backwards-compatible with existing PCIe implementations and a final spec is due in 2009. New features for PCIe 3.0 specification include a number of optimizations for enhanced signaling and data integrity, including transmitter and receiver equalization, PLL improvements, clock data recovery, and channel enhancements for currently supported topologies.[22]
Following a six-month technical analysis of the feasibility of scaling the PCIe interconnect bandwidth, PCI-SIG's analysis found out that 8 gigatransfers per second can be manufactured in mainstream silicon process technology, and can be deployed with existing low-cost materials and infrastructure, while maintaining full compatibility (with negligible impact) to the PCIe protocol stack.
PCIe 2.0 delivers 5 GT/s but employed an 8b/10b encoding scheme which took 20 percent overhead on the overall raw bit rate. By removing the requirement for the 8b/10b encoding scheme (relying solely on the still-used scrambler), PCIe 3.0's 8 GT/s bit rate effectively delivers double PCIe 2.0 bandwidth. According to an official press release by PCI-SIG on 8 August 2007:
"The final PCIe 3.0 specifications, including form factor specification updates, may be available by late 2009, and could be seen in products starting in 2010 and beyond."[23]
PCI-SIG expects the PCIe 3.0 specifications to undergo rigorous technical vetting and validation before being released to the industry. This process, which was followed in the development of prior generations of the PCIe Base and various form factor specifications, includes the corroboration of the final electrical parameters with data derived from test silicon and other simulations conducted by multiple members of the PCI-SIG.
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In August 2007, PCI-SIG announced that PCI Express 3.0 will carry a bit rate of 8 gigatransfers per second. The spec will be backwards-compatible with existing PCIe implementations and a final spec is due in 2009. New features for PCIe 3.0 specification include a number of optimizations for enhanced signaling and data integrity, including transmitter and receiver equalization, PLL improvements, clock data recovery, and channel enhancements for currently supported topologies.[22]
Following a six-month technical analysis of the feasibility of scaling the PCIe interconnect bandwidth, PCI-SIG's analysis found out that 8 gigatransfers per second can be manufactured in mainstream silicon process technology, and can be deployed with existing low-cost materials and infrastructure, while maintaining full compatibility (with negligible impact) to the PCIe protocol stack.
PCIe 2.0 delivers 5 GT/s but employed an 8b/10b encoding scheme which took 20 percent overhead on the overall raw bit rate. By removing the requirement for the 8b/10b encoding scheme (relying solely on the still-used scrambler), PCIe 3.0's 8 GT/s bit rate effectively delivers double PCIe 2.0 bandwidth. According to an official press release by PCI-SIG on 8 August 2007:
"The final PCIe 3.0 specifications, including form factor specification updates, may be available by late 2009, and could be seen in products starting in 2010 and beyond."[23]
PCI-SIG expects the PCIe 3.0 specifications to undergo rigorous technical vetting and validation before being released to the industry. This process, which was followed in the development of prior generations of the PCIe Base and various form factor specifications, includes the corroboration of the final electrical parameters with data derived from test silicon and other simulations conducted by multiple members of the PCI-SIG.
Well that is awesome!
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"The final PCIe 3.0 specifications, including form factor specification updates, may be available by late 2009, and could be seen in products starting in 2010 and beyond."
Thanks for the additional info. That still gives the general 2010 time frame as well. I guess we will not know for sure until we hear news about it going into mass production.
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What? Why? eSATA is awesome for me. Near instant transfers, though it's only 3 Gb/s versus the 5 Gb/s of USB 3.0, but that'll change with SATA 6 Gb/s.
I like eSATA.
Just because your esata ports can be fast it doesnt speed up the actual HD in any way.
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