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Pretty much all non user reviews are bais in some way, except 3DGAMER man as he might seem to be your average every day user but is actually paid to run that channel.


Get the Prolimatech Megahelm + Double Ultra Kaze and it's the best, for overkill lap it and the CPU + CL Liquid Pro & pressure mod than you got water like temps.


Be on the look out for even better coolers though, the TRUE 2, TRUE Venomous X and the whole line of new Noctua coolers.
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Pretty much all non user reviews are bais in some way, except 3DGAMER man as he might seem to be your average every day user but is actually paid to run that channel.


Get the Prolimatech Megahelm + Double Ultra Kaze and it's the best, for overkill lap it and the CPU + CL Liquid Pro & pressure mod than you got water like temps.


Be on the look out for even better coolers though, the TRUE 2, TRUE Venomous X and the whole line of new Noctua coolers.
Actually, Prolimatech states that lapping the megahalems is disadvantageous, and reduces performance of the cooler. Also voids warranty. The jury is still out on whether or not it actually does decrease performance, there's not enough evidence yet. Additionally, the mounting system is so well done that I imagine a pressure mod could very well damage the cpu, or the socket depending on cpu/motherboard. I definitely could not pressure mod mine without risk of breaking something. Also, deltas > ultra kazes They also beat out san ace 1011's in terms of performance, and the san aces tend to beat out ultra kazes (I upgraded from a pair recently).

The TRUE is still also a beast, and performs pretty much the same, or close enough to the megahalems once modified.

You are right though, there are some very interesting coolers coming out from a lot of manufacturers (Thermalright, noctua, prolimatech and many others). I do not believe the megahalems will stay king of the hill forever (I also hope it does not, as I'd like to be able to upgrade while still on air) and my rant isn't about which cooler anyone else or I think is best.

I'm just tired of seeing poor testing done when really, with a bit more time and effort a good review could have been made (if they had done more thorough configurations).

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Pretty much all non user reviews are bais in some way, except 3DGAMER man as he might seem to be your average every day user but is actually paid to run that channel.


Get the Prolimatech Megahelm + Double Ultra Kaze and it's the best, for overkill lap it and the CPU + CL Liquid Pro & pressure mod than you got water like temps.


Be on the look out for even better coolers though, the TRUE 2, TRUE Venomous X and the whole line of new Noctua coolers.
San aces, Panaflos, and Deltas > Ultra Kazes
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Actually, Prolimatech states that lapping the megahalems is disadvantageous, and reduces performance of the cooler. Also voids warranty. The jury is still out on whether or not it actually does decrease performance, there's not enough evidence yet. Additionally, the mounting system is so well done that I imagine a pressure mod could very well damage the cpu, or the socket depending on cpu/motherboard. I definitely could not pressure mod mine without risk of breaking something.

Although the base from the factory is much flatter than the TRUE there is still room for improvement and lapping will help. It wont do any damage if it's done right either. The mounting system is good out of the box but as you remove metal from lapping heatsink and CPU there will be lack of pressure so a pressure mod will help.
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ultra kaze's are for the poor aka. me, you have to admit though for a 5$ fan the ultra kaze is not that bad.

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Although the base from the factory is much flatter than the TRUE there is still room for improvement and lapping will help. It wont do any damage if it's done right either. The mounting system is good out of the box but as you remove metal from lapping heatsink and CPU there will be lack of pressure so a pressure mod will help.
Unless you lapped it like a man possessed, I do not see how you could pressure mod the Megahalems for most systems without risk of damaging something. I have my cpu lapped, and it would still have room to go tighter presumably if I had the heatsink itself lapped as well. You do remove nickel/copper/material when lapping, but not *that* much! You are trying to get it flat on a horizontal level after all, and in reality when lapping you rarely change the height of the cpu/heatsink by any large margin.

Also, the reason why Prolimatech states that lapping is hazardous to the performance of the cooler is because they state that it is not flat on purpose. Supposedly the centre of the base is raised ever so slightly to accommodate cpus and optimal heat transfer. While I realise that it would work great for a concave cpu, for a lapped or convex cpu I'm not so sure. They do claim pin-point precision in the manufacturing process for the base, and if that is true than lapping would be a bad decision. Easiest way to test would be to compare a couple of them next to each other to be honest, if they vary enough then you could assume that differences are the result of the manufacturing process.

Regardless, the few results I've seen from people lapping it have reported results with little to no increase in performance.

But really, modifying a megahalems/every cpu cooler is not always the smartest thing to do, it does depend on the cooler itself. Everyone immediately says 'pressure mod' + 'lap!' and while that worked great for the TRUE and other heatsinks, its not a universal rule.

And damn that's going off topic

I'd like to see more reviews for this cooler, and more importantly I'd like to see more testing done on the fan that came with it. Seemingly it is not made by CM themselves, and is different enough from previous CM fans to warrant a look (according to review).

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Also, the reason why Prolimatech states that lapping is hazardous to the performance of the cooler is because they state that it is not flat on purpose. Supposedly the centre of the base is raised ever so slightly to accommodate cpus and optimal heat transfer.
Thermalright says the exact same thing about the TRUE, and we all know how that turned out.

All of these coolers are exactly the same. Apart from the mounting and the BS about static pressure this thing is exactly the same as an HDT-S1284.



See this? This basically tells me that they falsified the results so that Coolermaster would continue to give them free stuff. Thats just how it works. If you ignore the flaws, spew out some of their marketing BS and give it an award (note: that last one is crucial for some reason) then you will continue to get freebies.
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Unless you lapped it like a man possessed, I do not see how you could pressure mod the Megahalems for most systems without risk of damaging something. I have my cpu lapped, and it would still have room to go tighter presumably if I had the heatsink itself lapped as well. You do remove nickel/copper/material when lapping, but not *that* much! You are trying to get it flat on a horizontal level after all, and in reality when lapping you rarely change the height of the cpu/heatsink by any large margin.

Also, the reason why Prolimatech states that lapping is hazardous to the performance of the cooler is because they state that it is not flat on purpose. Supposedly the centre of the base is raised ever so slightly to accommodate cpus and optimal heat transfer. While I realise that it would work great for a concave cpu, for a lapped or convex cpu I'm not so sure. They do claim pin-point precision in the manufacturing process for the base, and if that is true than lapping would be a bad decision. Easiest way to test would be to compare a couple of them next to each other to be honest, if they vary enough then you could assume that differences are the result of the manufacturing process.

Regardless, the few results I've seen from people lapping it have reported results with little to no increase in performance.

But really, modifying a megahalems/every cpu cooler is not always the smartest thing to do, it does depend on the cooler itself. Everyone immediately says 'pressure mod' + 'lap!' and while that worked great for the TRUE and other heatsinks, its not a universal rule.

And damn that's going off topic

I'd like to see more reviews for this cooler, and more importantly I'd like to see more testing done on the fan that came with it. Seemingly it is not made by CM themselves, and is different enough from previous CM fans to warrant a look (according to review).
That's why people are simple minded.

When lapping became popular with enthusiasts everyone and their grandma believed it to the next step to achieve better cooling.

Lapping is just one method to improve contact but it is not, as you aforementioned, a universal rule.
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See this? This basically tells me that they falsified the results so that Coolermaster would continue to give them free stuff. Thats just how it works. If you ignore the flaws, spew out some of their marketing BS and give it an award (note: that last one is crucial for some reason) then you will continue to get freebies.
It's sad, people will do anything for money or free stuff. Even if it means falsifying or stretching the truth.
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