Overclock.net - Overclocking.net
     
 
Home Gallery Reviews Blogs Register Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Members List


Go Back   Overclock.net - Overclocking.net > Industry News > Hardware News

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 10-20-09   #81 (permalink)
Case Modder
 
Cerberus's Avatar
 
amd ati

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Petersburg, Michigan
Posts: 3,266

Rep: 203 Cerberus is acknowledged by manyCerberus is acknowledged by manyCerberus is acknowledged by many
Unique Rep: 167
Trader Rating: 15
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bmost1022 View Post
Since when does PC stand for computer? I'm pretty sure that the P in front means somethings. Servers in no way are PERSONAL. That is THE difference. Of course the hardware is the same, but the use is different, and thus the focus is different. Servers don't need to overclock as much as they need nice big RAID arrays and much larger amounts of RAM. The focus is different because the use is different. So, now you need to improve your reading ability and learn how to figure out that PC does not stand for "computer" it stands for "personal computer".

Also, the difference between apple and dell is that with apple you have your "mac tax". Why should you be paying much more to get something of at best equal quality to a dell?
oh wait, whats this... im hosting a website on my rig atm...


oh no. im streaming my music to from my moms house on my backup rig.

both are PC's. but guess what. they are serving the data to me.

anything can be a server.

all it has to do is server data to another source.

oh snap. im a server for giving you correct info on a forum.
__________________

System: Nighthawk
CPU
AMD Athlon II 240
Motherboard
GIGABYTE GA-MA770T-UD3P
Memory
GSkill 2x2Gb DDR3 1333
Graphics Card
XFX 9800GT
Hard Drive
5x1Tb WD Caviar Blacks
Sound Card
Asus Xonar DX
Power Supply
Corsair 750TX
Case
Thermaltake Xaser III
CPU cooling
Stock, going water soon
GPU cooling
Stock
OS
Microsoft Windows 7 RC
Monitor
BenQ FP202W 20.1in WS
Overclock.net - 2009 Chimp Challenge Champions
Cerberus is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-09   #82 (permalink)
New to Overclock.net
 
amd nvidia

Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,315

Rep: 104 Lelouch is acknowledged by manyLelouch is acknowledged by many
Unique Rep: 71
Trader Rating: 4
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bmost1022 View Post
Since when does PC stand for computer? I'm pretty sure that the P in front means somethings. Servers in no way are PERSONAL. That is THE difference. Of course the hardware is the same, but the use is different, and thus the focus is different. Servers don't need to overclock as much as they need nice big RAID arrays and much larger amounts of RAM. The focus is different because the use is different. So, now you need to improve your reading ability and learn how to figure out that PC does not stand for "computer" it stands for "personal computer".

Also, the difference between apple and dell is that with apple you have your "mac tax". Why should you be paying much more to get something of at best equal quality to a dell?
Obviously I used too big of words for you. Der der, herp herp, der herp der herp. Did that help?

On a more serious note... I will repeat myself.

YOU. As in you, ya know, yourself. Your own being. Said..

"More airflow > less space"..

I said.. "Inferior design? Have you seen servers? By your standards, its an inferior design."

THIS is in reference to the "poor airflow" in both. Rather, I will clarify.. Blade servers are an EXTREMELY tight fit. What I mean by that, is there is not much room in them. The same is true with a iMac. There is not a whole lot of room in them, therefore of course airflow is limited..

Do you understand now? I was saying that your logic "airflow > less space" isn't necessarily true.

Also, when you take 4 years of computer classes (A+, NOS, CCNA) in 2 years, you can tell me that I dont know the definition of "PC". You see, PC stands for Personal Computer. You know what a Personal Computer is fundamentally? A computer. Do you know what a server is fundamentally? A computer.

Besides which, I never said "PC = computer". I said "Servers and PC's are computers". Which is true.
__________________
System: > Scotland
CPU
3600+ X2
Motherboard
Biostar Tforce550
Memory
Corsair XMS2 2x1GB
Graphics Card
9600GT OC
Hard Drive
80 + 160
Case
Aspire X-Cruiser
OS
Windows Vista Business 64-bit
Lelouch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-09   #83 (permalink)
PC Gamer
 
lokster's Avatar
 
intel ati

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: California
Posts: 1,385

Rep: 54 lokster is acknowledged by some
Unique Rep: 54
Trader Rating: 2
Default

nice mouse, i would totally use that for my desktop, really nice of apple to lose the wires in their desktop, what wouldve made it cooler if their power source was wireless too! a desktop without wires is like clutter free!
__________________

System: Da loksters 170$ gaming build!!
CPU
E2160 1.8Ghz
Motherboard
MSI Boston
Memory
4GB DDR2 PC2-6400
Graphics Card
Sapphire HD 4670 512MB DDR2 128 BIT
Hard Drive
320GB Seagate
Sound Card
Integrated
Power Supply
450W Antec
Case
COMPAQ
CPU cooling
STock
GPU cooling
STock
OS
Windows 7 ULTIMATE 64 BIT
Monitor
20" Acer LCD
lokster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-09   #84 (permalink)
PC Gamer
 
intel nvidia

Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 87

Rep: 11 Jarazon Unknown
Unique Rep: 11
Hardware Reviews: 1
Trader Rating: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lelouch View Post
Obviously I used too big of words for you. Der der, herp herp, der herp der herp. Did that help?

On a more serious note... I will repeat myself.

YOU. As in you, ya know, yourself. Your own being. Said..

"More airflow > less space"..

I said.. "Inferior design? Have you seen servers? By your standards, its an inferior design."

THIS is in reference to the "poor airflow" in both. Rather, I will clarify.. Blade servers are an EXTREMELY tight fit. What I mean by that, is there is not much room in them. The same is true with a iMac. There is not a whole lot of room in them, therefore of course airflow is limited..

Do you understand now? I was saying that your logic "airflow > less space" isn't necessarily true.

Also, when you take 4 years of computer classes (A+, NOS, CCNA) in 2 years, you can tell me that I dont know the definition of "PC". You see, PC stands for Personal Computer. You know what a Personal Computer is fundamentally? A computer. Do you know what a server is fundamentally? A computer.

Besides which, I never said "PC = computer". I said "Servers and PC's are computers". Which is true.
This is getting ridiculous, he was clearly talking about PCs when he stated that "more airflow > less space". Trying to make the discussion about servers is a complete straw man. A triangle is a shape, so is a square, that doesn't mean triangles and squares serve the same purpose, have the same requirements, or in any way should be treated similarly.
__________________
System: Attempt at Watercooling
CPU
Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB
Motherboard
EVGA NVIDIA nForce 780i TriSLI
Memory
2x2 GB Patriot PC2 - 8500
Graphics Card
EVGA GTX 260
Power Supply
CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2
Case
Danger Den Water Box
Monitor
Hanns-G 22" LCD
Jarazon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-09   #85 (permalink)
New to Overclock.net
 
amd nvidia

Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,315

Rep: 104 Lelouch is acknowledged by manyLelouch is acknowledged by many
Unique Rep: 71
Trader Rating: 4
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarazon View Post
This is getting ridiculous, he was clearly talking about PCs when he stated that "more airflow > less space". Trying to make the discussion about servers is a complete straw man. A triangle is a shape, so is a square, that doesn't mean triangles and squares serve the same purpose, have the same requirements, or in any way should be treated similarly.
Both are computers. Airflow is important to both. In fact, its MORE important in a server, yet Blade Servers sacrifice airflow for space. Same with iMac's.
__________________
System: > Scotland
CPU
3600+ X2
Motherboard
Biostar Tforce550
Memory
Corsair XMS2 2x1GB
Graphics Card
9600GT OC
Hard Drive
80 + 160
Case
Aspire X-Cruiser
OS
Windows Vista Business 64-bit
Lelouch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-09   #86 (permalink)
Title Goes Here
 
Liability's Avatar
 
intel ati

Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,390

Rep: 260 Liability is a proven memberLiability is a proven memberLiability is a proven member
Unique Rep: 207
Trader Rating: 12
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by B10S View Post
I agree with this statement. Hell, the Macbook Pro's are EXTREMELY hot, I literally burned my thigh (With pants on).
Now included with every iMac: the iStove!
__________________
System: In Progress...
CPU
Q6600 G0 @ 3.6GHz
Motherboard
DFI DK P35-T2RS Dark
Memory
OCZ Reaper 2 x 2 GB
Graphics Card
Sapphire 4870 @ 800/1025
Hard Drive
74GB Raptor + WD 500GB + WD 640GB + 7200.11 640GB
Sound Card
X-Fi XtremeMusic
Power Supply
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750W Quad
Case
Antec 900
CPU cooling
Corsair H50 Push/Pull
GPU cooling
Sapphire Silent Efficiency
OS
Windows 7 Pro x64
Monitor
Samsung 2333SW
Liability is offline Overclocked Account   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-09   #87 (permalink)
PC Gamer
 
intel nvidia

Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 87

Rep: 11 Jarazon Unknown
Unique Rep: 11
Hardware Reviews: 1
Trader Rating: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lelouch View Post
Both are computers. Airflow is important to both. In fact, its MORE important in a server, yet Blade Servers sacrifice airflow for space. Same with iMac's.
Seriously, stop comparing apples to oranges. Arguing that the challenges that face personal computing are the same as those of server operation is kind of silly. Yes, both sides have to deal with heat, but the kind of legitimate solutions you have for one just don't work for the other.

However, if you want to stick with the comparison between PCs and computers let's do it. Blade Server, despite focusing on reducing power use (which they do well), get hotter and require more work to cool then more traditional and spread out servers. Macs in general, and other small computer/laptops as well have to deal with increased heat per unit volume. However, unlike is the case with servers small computers don't have room or access to elaborate cooling systems that often can only fit in a larger computer so the end result is that they run hotter. Computer running hotter limits OCs, speed the degradation of parts, and often leads to crashes and decreased reliability.
__________________
System: Attempt at Watercooling
CPU
Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB
Motherboard
EVGA NVIDIA nForce 780i TriSLI
Memory
2x2 GB Patriot PC2 - 8500
Graphics Card
EVGA GTX 260
Power Supply
CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2
Case
Danger Den Water Box
Monitor
Hanns-G 22" LCD
Jarazon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-09   #88 (permalink)
PC Gamer
 
loop0001's Avatar
 
intel nvidia

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Texas...for now
Posts: 2,431

Rep: 61 loop0001 is acknowledged by some
Unique Rep: 50
Trader Rating: 7
Default

i have to say that this mac set up, looks pretty sweet. sleek, clean, and a powerful computer.

i like the mouse, reminds me of the razer mice, which i love far better than my new mx518.. /offtopic

kudos for apple here
__________________
Currently playing: Borderlands, MW2, Mass Effect, GRID

Blood tastes good

Behold!!! I am a Paradigm Shifter!!!

System: Generation
CPU
e6600
Motherboard
680i SLI SE
Memory
4gb (2x2) Mushkin 4-4-4-12
Graphics Card
BFG GTX 260 Core216
Hard Drive
2x500gb & 2x160gb WD
Power Supply
600W OCZ Gamestream
Case
*Modded, Painted* CM 690
CPU cooling
Xigmatek HDT-S963
GPU cooling
stock (for now)
OS
xp
Monitor
Dell S2208W 1600x1050
loop0001 is offline loop0001's Gallery   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-09   #89 (permalink)
WaterCooler
 
Spart's Avatar
 
amd ati

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Savannah, GA
Posts: 3,327

Rep: 147 Spart is acknowledged by manySpart is acknowledged by many
Unique Rep: 128
Hardware Reviews: 1
Trader Rating: 7
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lelouch View Post
Both are computers. Airflow is important to both. In fact, its MORE important in a server, yet Blade Servers sacrifice airflow for space. Same with iMac's.

I don't want to get into this argument but I think you are forgetting the massively loud fans servers use which push insane CFM for their size. iMac's are as quiet as a laptop. The fans make up for the lack of space.

System: New Rig
CPU
Phenom 9950 125w @ 3.01ghz
Motherboard
ASUS M3A79-T Deluxe
Memory
4GB (2x2GB) Mushkin Redline @ 5-5-5-12 DDR21066
Graphics Card
XFX 5770 1GB (CF Soon)
Hard Drive
2x WD Caviar Black 640gb AALS
Sound Card
Auzentech Prelude X-Fi
Power Supply
Corsair TX750 750w
Case
Modded Rocketfish
CPU cooling
CM GeminII
GPU cooling
Stock
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
Monitor
Acer H233H 23" 1080P Monitor
Spart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-09   #90 (permalink)
Bioweapon
 
OmegaNemesis28's Avatar
 
intel ati

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 20,053
Blog Entries: 18

Rep: 1028 OmegaNemesis28 is a starOmegaNemesis28 is a starOmegaNemesis28 is a starOmegaNemesis28 is a starOmegaNemesis28 is a starOmegaNemesis28 is a starOmegaNemesis28 is a starOmegaNemesis28 is a star
Unique Rep: 566
Hardware Reviews: 22
Trader Rating: 10
Default

Quote:
To all the morons (you know who you are)..

Build a computer thats an ALL in One. Whats that? Cant do it?

Or do you just not want to build one? If thats the case, shut up and stop comparing your tower to a COMPLETELY different form factor and build quality.
You could build an all in one yourself if you had half a brain...
Hell, even if you didn't they sell all in one cases where you just snap it on the back of a screen.
__________________


[Project] Ω Reestablished / [Project]Nemesis i7 Revival
"A new Genesis is at hand, and I shall be its creator!"~Albert Wesker
"The best case mods are never finished, but in a perpetual state of evolution."~Flux



System: Nemesis i7 Revival
CPU
Intel Xeon W3520 i7
Motherboard
EVGA X58 Classified
Memory
GSkill 6GB DDR3 Pi
Graphics Card
Visiontek 4870 X2
Hard Drive
2x 1TB, 2x 250GB
Sound Card
Azuntech X-Fi Prelude Modded
Power Supply
SilverStone Strider 1000w Modular Power Supply
Case
Lian Li V2000 Plus
CPU cooling
Dtek Fuzion v1
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate 64x
Monitor
SAMSUNG 32" 550 TV
Overclock.net - 2009 Chimp Challenge Champions
OmegaNemesis28 is offline Overclocked Account OmegaNemesis28's Gallery   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:17 PM.


Overclock.net is a Carbon Neutral Site Creative Commons License

Terms of Service / Forum Rules | Privacy Policy | DMCA Info | Advertising | Become an Official Vendor
Copyright © 2010 Shogun Interactive Development. Most rights reserved.
Page generated in 0.18937 seconds with 9 queries