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you again.

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Paradigm Shifter

Hm. From past experience the two have always traded blows at the top-end. It's only really since G80 that nVidia have had a prolonged dominance - the 9700Pro and 9800Pro/XT were the top cards of their day, beating out the GeForceFX cards by quite significant degrees. nVidia get the 6 series right, but ATi pulled the lead back with the X1900 series. Then came the HD2900 abomination and nVidia lead again. If nVidia 'always beat the ATi equivalent in performance' then ATi would be dead by now, and we'd be left with Intel Integrated or nVidia. And I doubt prices would be reasonable.

It's all swings and roundabouts. Which is good for competition.

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The 8800GTX (and subsequently the 9800GTX+) beat the 2900XT and 3870 very badly, and the GTX280 beat the 4870, albeit not as badly.

MrDeodorant

Wow! What a relevant thread, where new information is discussed maturely! I'm sure glad it hasn't degenerated into a rehash of every single other Fermi/Evergreen thread!

I can also confirm that multiple source strongly believe a single core Fermi will end up significantly faster than a single-core 5870. Multiple fanboys on this thread alone are convinced that Fermi will do everything short of raising the dead. 'Significantly faster' means anything from 'genuinely outperforms' to 'gets a few FPS faster in Crysis, and one or two other cherry-picked games'. You know, like how the 285 is called 'faster than the 5870' by unscrupulous fanatics.

Dammit, I got dragged in. Someone needs to start putting "You post, you lose" under this sort of news story.

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xguntherc

as long as there lower card compares with ATI's high card. (the 5870) I'll be getting the lower card, and maybe the higher card. We'll see how they look and what the price points are. if they are really that amazing as they say. (extreme lifelike graphics) they will cost way to much, but nvidia has said on the record that they will NOT make the same mistake they made on GT200 with pricing and have to return cash, so I expect a better price.

We'll see. I can't wait for the specs to come out next week. (Yes next week)

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Paradigm Shifter

I thought that was rather included in the point I was attempting to make? Simply that 3dfx lead once, then nVidia, then ATi, then nVidia, then ATi, then nVidia, then ATi... as for the future? Who can tell. As I said, it's all swings and roundabouts.

I'll be willing to accept (pending information to the contrary) that whatever the desktop equivalent of Fermi is, a single card beats a single card 5870. Multicard scenarios are too driver dependent for me to wish to extrapolate.

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dham

Everybody knows fermi will beat the 5870. This is known fact. Locked, loaded, done. The question is price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price , price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price, price.

If people actually think Nvidia will release these cards for less than $400 are out of their damn mind. Sure they might have lower offerings but we'll see.

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