Villainstone

I wouldn't say that by any means. Yeah they are reaching higher and higher but CPU's cannot be beat at what they do. Granted the x86 architecture is lacking in raw power, but super computers are leaps and bounds ahead of any GPU out there. The PC CPU is reaching its limits I think, but PC's will not stop there.

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This is all irrelevent. The fact remains that if Nvidia is in financial crisis, then AMD is infinately more worse off. All that matters is bottom line. Have you looked at the financial reports from AMD and Nvidia recently? AMD is red straight across the board, and their net assets are 7 billion in the red.

sodaholic134

Technically, the AMD "Product Group" made a small profit. I think it was 4 million, IIRC.

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smash_mouth01

It's simple they are just trying to play a cool hand that isn't working in their favor, all they are trying to do is hold back DX 11 just the same as DX 10.
Hence ATI's DX 10.1 support (which is just the full instruction set of DX 10 that Nvidia raped and M$ let them do it.).

I really do hope now that Nvidia pull a magic rabbit out of their bum for this generation, because if they try to hold back gaming on the PC (AGAIN) I'll just go back to playing consoles, at least on them you know your game will work they way it's meant to ( without having the school yard bully to tool the games to suite their gear and stuff everyone else)

But now since Nvidia are taking their time ATI are increasing their prices, and to add to that Nvidia are now forgeting the people that made them famous
"the Gamers".

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Singular1ty

Forgive me if im mistaken, but this sounds exactly like that bull that Mac tried and is still trying to pull that windows 7 is gltichy, overcomplicated, prone to crashes, virus infest, error infest piece of junk.

Seriously, it sounds exactly the same except with amd trying to pull it on nvidia.

And we all know that 7 is better than mac and mac knows 7 is better and microsoft knows 7 is better so they havent bothered to respond.

I heard a good saying that whomever insults the other first surrenders the arguement to the other side.

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003

That's true. It still didn't stop them from reporting their 14th consecutive quarterly loss.

MagicBox

@Singular1ty:

I wouldn't agree with that. That AMD exec isn't bashing NVidia by any means. He's merely stating an (obvious) opinion, an opinion that's shared by a larger public. It coming from an AMD exec's mouth shouldn't be a reason for it to be taken in a hostile fashion.

In fact, if you read the whole article, AMD is basically saying it is delving in the HPC market as well, although in the CPU segment.

Truth is that Fermi is geared towards HPC tasks and Anand extrapolated the same consensus that it is a computing architecture more than a pure gaming architecture, which means that the architecture offers features not really suitable for gaming applications like the gigathreader. By no means are people saying Fermi will/would suck for gaming. Instead one shouldn't deduct incredible, superior gaming performance based on just the specs.

Personally I think the GeForce variant will be in 5870's ballpark. I am almost certain that most DX11 features are performed in software on those neat CUDA cores contrary to ATI's hardware solution. In that respect Fermi is potentially an extremely versatile architecture.

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saulin

Exactly so I don't get why many people think that ATI is making a killing and that Nvidia is not making any money. I think they really are forgetting how big Nvidia really is and where they get their money from. Or simply they don't know anything and just repeat what others say.

Imagine if AMD comes up with the fastest processor for 2-3 months. Wow I guess that will take Intel out for good. Who knows Intel might even retire because they can't compete anymore.

Oh and so I don't get quoted and asked stupid questions. That was sarcasm on the Intel comment.

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Singular1ty

How do you know that it is not made for PC gamers? No one has even SEEN a real one in person, let alone played on it, bought it, heck, stores havent even priced it yet.

When nvidia stated that there was a version for extreme computing, every amd person i know flipped that into "fermi is only for extreme computing" when you say there is a version, it means that there is an altered version for people whom do programming.

AMD is acting like fermi is meant for extreme computing with a spin off for pc gamers, its the other way around, fermi is meant for gamers with a spin off for extreme computing.

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Parthian

Either way nVidia should release their cards ASAP unless they want to lose customers. I am one of those who urgently need a new PC but I am trying to wait for nVidia and see what they offer... soon I might not be able to wait anymore.