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mothergoose729 · 11-05-09

There really is not proof Nvidia did any wrong doing here guys. It is suspect sure, but very far from concrete. If it was a simple as Nvidia forcing lucid out then lucid would be trowing a fit right now, and it seems like they are not. If I had to guess I would say that a problem in the Lucid chip, plus some internal politics, and maybe even some back door deals killed it. It has to be more complicated then Nvidia paying somebody off.

That or Chalie has conveniently forgot to leave out some crucial information.

Brutuz · 11-05-09

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Originally Posted by Adrienspawn

Ati has nothing to lose and everything to gain? Are you kidding? Why would anyone buy highend cards, where the profit is higher, instead of buying four 4650's for 170$? People would stick with their multi-card setup forever and almost never upgrade because it's already overkill. The revenue loss with licensing is nothing compared to loss of sales. To combat this, Ati and Nvidia will have to try and do everything they can so people don't just add in a bunch of old cards.

Proof that they get more money on higher end cards? I was under the impression they get roughly the same profits due to the higher end cards being cheap.

trueg50 · 11-05-09

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Originally Posted by mothergoose729

There really is not proof Nvidia did any wrong doing here guys. It is suspect sure, but very far from concrete. If it was a simple as Nvidia forcing lucid out then lucid would be trowing a fit right now, and it seems like they are not. If I had to guess I would say that a problem in the Lucid chip, plus some internal politics, and maybe even some back door deals killed it. It has to be more complicated then Nvidia paying somebody off.

That or Chalie has conveniently forgot to leave out some crucial information.

It could be the driver issues again (I think that was the first issue that delayed it), or plenty of other problems.

Liability · 11-05-09

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Originally Posted by Adrienspawn

Ati has nothing to lose and everything to gain? Are you kidding? Why would anyone buy highend cards, where the profit is higher, instead of buying four 4650's for 170$? People would stick with their multi-card setup forever and almost never upgrade because it's already overkill. The revenue loss with licensing is nothing compared to loss of sales. To combat this, Ati and Nvidia will have to try and do everything they can so people don't just add in a bunch of old cards.

Do you even realize what you're saying? Four 4650s are not even as good as a single 4890, which is in the same price range. GDDR2 and a 128 bit bus make that card worthless.

As far as current cards go, two 5770s already beat a 5850, and are cheaper

CAHOP240 · 11-05-09

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Originally Posted by Adrienspawn

Ati has nothing to lose and everything to gain? Are you kidding? Why would anyone buy highend cards, where the profit is higher, instead of buying four 4650's for 170$? People would stick with their multi-card setup forever and almost never upgrade because it's already overkill. The revenue loss with licensing is nothing compared to loss of sales. To combat this, Ati and Nvidia will have to try and do everything they can so people don't just add in a bunch of old cards.

I'm not trying to flame you but, I don't think you thought that out clearly.

People on this forum already have TriFire 4890's and TriSLI 285's and that's already overkill for every game out here but you can be sure that people will upgrade to Tri 5870's and GT300's. Simply because they provide more performance. To say that people won't upgrade because its "overkill" is kind of moot on a forum where people buy and upgrade monster machines all the time.

**DuckieHo** · 11-05-09

BTW.... Lucid is heavily Intel-backed.... I wonder why Intel hasn't stepped in yet.

Nebel · 11-05-09

This Charlie dude has been bashing at Nvidia so much lately that even I'm getting annoyed at him, who never really gave a damn or didn't bother about that guy, seriously, what is his problem? His kind of behavior only makes me not want to buy ATI.

xxbassplayerxx · 11-05-09

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Originally Posted by 003

The only reason the focus is on Nvidia is because Charlie put it there, lacking any kind of evidence that Nvidia is behind this in the first place. It could easily be ATI or ATI and Nvidia or neither of them.

Everyone keeps asking why we think this is Nvidia's doing. Did you happen to read the article?

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We heard through the grapevine at IDF that Nvidia was not happy about Lucid, and was going to break Lucid's Hydra chip at the driver level to protect its SLI tax

While this isn't proof, it's a pretty good reason to point a finger...

tofunater · 11-05-09

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Originally Posted by DuckieHo

BTW.... Lucid is heavily Intel-backed.... I wonder why Intel hasn't stepped in yet.

This, Where is Intel?

StormX2 · 11-05-09

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Originally Posted by 003

I'd like to point out that Charlie has absolutely zero proof that Nvidia is behind this delay. The article is complete speculation and is not dissimilar to tin foil hat conspiracy theorism.

but the Tin hat DOES make the Voices Stop!

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