[TGD] Global Foundries will bash up Intel's process lead - Page 3 - Overclock.net

vicious_fishes · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by BlackHoleSun

That isn't totally true. Intel is on top because of a nice little thing that happened back in 1978 called the Intel 8086. That chip revolutionized the world and put Intel at the top of the microprocessor world. MS came around with a very nice computing environment called Windows which was based around the x86 microprocessor architecture and Intel went through the roof. The Pentium name is synonymous with computers thanks to the PC boom of the late 90s and here we are. Intel made it to the top due to really really amazing marketing and having some perfect timing with the PC boom. You are right in saying that they know this but they don't keep AMD around because of mercy, they keep them around because they have to.

Intel knows that they would be a Monopoly if AMD didn't exist. VIA does not produce enough volume in the x86 market to even come close to being a contender here and without AMD, Intel would be shut down. Plus the elusive minds at Intel probably enjoy the competition. Competition doesn't just drive down prices, it pushes engineering forward so that every 18 months we can double our transistor count, holding Moore's Law true. People think of Intel as some greedy company that doesn't care about anything but itself, but in truth it is probably a company that values human achievement at it's highest regard. No good company likes to sit around and produce a cheap product and slightly revise it every few years, at least not in the semiconductor industry. This is why Intel needs AMD, and vice versa. I bet if we trudge through the mudslinging done in the discrete GPU area, I bet Intel will bring the same type of competition to that market to push nVidia and ATi to make more groundbreaking products. Just look at what G80 has forced ATi to come out with. Imagine if Larrabee puts down amazing numbers, nVidia and ATi are going to come out with some crazy things.

As to the topic at hand, I don't foresee Global Foundries beating Intel's node development. Even with IBM on their side, Intel is probably number 1 in research when it comes to gate pitch. What I can GF doing is ramping up production to match that of Intel's HKMG with SOI.

intel are on top right now thanks to their illegal business practices, and then the "kick whilst down" that was conroe.

people are forgetting that GF is collaborating with AMD/IBM to leapfrog 32 to go for 28. now i don't know how many people know this, but it was reported not long ago that yields were much higher than expected.

oh and IBM is a bigger company than intel by the way

legoman786 · 2 Weeks Ago

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackHoleSun

That isn't totally true. Intel is on top because of a nice little thing that happened back in 1978 called the Intel 8086. That chip revolutionized the world and put Intel at the top of the microprocessor world. MS came around with a very nice computing environment called Windows which was based around the x86 microprocessor architecture and Intel went through the roof. The Pentium name is synonymous with computers thanks to the PC boom of the late 90s and here we are. Intel made it to the top due to really really amazing marketing and having some perfect timing with the PC boom. You are right in saying that they know this but they don't keep AMD around because of mercy, they keep them around because they have to.

Intel knows that they would be a Monopoly if AMD didn't exist. VIA does not produce enough volume in the x86 market to even come close to being a contender here and without AMD, Intel would be shut down. Plus the elusive minds at Intel probably enjoy the competition. Competition doesn't just drive down prices, it pushes engineering forward so that every 18 months we can double our transistor count, holding Moore's Law true. People think of Intel as some greedy company that doesn't care about anything but itself, but in truth it is probably a company that values human achievement at it's highest regard. No good company likes to sit around and produce a cheap product and slightly revise it every few years, at least not in the semiconductor industry. This is why Intel needs AMD, and vice versa. I bet if we trudge through the mudslinging done in the discrete GPU area, I bet Intel will bring the same type of competition to that market to push nVidia and ATi to make more groundbreaking products. Just look at what G80 has forced ATi to come out with. Imagine if Larrabee puts down amazing numbers, nVidia and ATi are going to come out with some crazy things.

As to the topic at hand, I don't foresee Global Foundries beating Intel's node development. Even with IBM on their side, Intel is probably number 1 in research when it comes to gate pitch. What I can GF doing is ramping up production to match that of Intel's HKMG with SOI.

This is probably the only post that makes sense in this thread. Props, dude.

dzalias · 2 Weeks Ago

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackHoleSun

That isn't totally true. Intel is on top because of a nice little thing that happened back in 1978 called the Intel 8086. That chip revolutionized the world and put Intel at the top of the microprocessor world. MS came around with a very nice computing environment called Windows which was based around the x86 microprocessor architecture and Intel went through the roof. The Pentium name is synonymous with computers thanks to the PC boom of the late 90s and here we are. Intel made it to the top due to really really amazing marketing and having some perfect timing with the PC boom. You are right in saying that they know this but they don't keep AMD around because of mercy, they keep them around because they have to.

Intel knows that they would be a Monopoly if AMD didn't exist. VIA does not produce enough volume in the x86 market to even come close to being a contender here and without AMD, Intel would be shut down. Plus the elusive minds at Intel probably enjoy the competition. Competition doesn't just drive down prices, it pushes engineering forward so that every 18 months we can double our transistor count, holding Moore's Law true. People think of Intel as some greedy company that doesn't care about anything but itself, but in truth it is probably a company that values human achievement at it's highest regard. No good company likes to sit around and produce a cheap product and slightly revise it every few years, at least not in the semiconductor industry. This is why Intel needs AMD, and vice versa. I bet if we trudge through the mudslinging done in the discrete GPU area, I bet Intel will bring the same type of competition to that market to push nVidia and ATi to make more groundbreaking products. Just look at what G80 has forced ATi to come out with. Imagine if Larrabee puts down amazing numbers, nVidia and ATi are going to come out with some crazy things.

As to the topic at hand, I don't foresee Global Foundries beating Intel's node development. Even with IBM on their side, Intel is probably number 1 in research when it comes to gate pitch. What I can GF doing is ramping up production to match that of Intel's HKMG with SOI.

So well thought out. Proper. Not in any way irrelevant, offensive, or lewd...

... you do know this is the internet, right?

BlackHoleSun · 2 Weeks Ago

I never did get the whole internet bashy thingy down, lol.

@viscous: I am aware that IBM is WAY bigger than Intel. They are a wonderful company as well, but have there fingers in many pies so to speak. Intel's main source of revenue comes from the x86 market which dominates personal computers. IBM has huge servers, crazy cloud computing, super computers, crazy research facilities and other ridiculous things going on. While Intel is shrinking the node, IBM is trying to get laser processors working. Intel works on Graphene, IBM works on changing the media that light passes through to increase it's speed.

Both companies are really making some truly amazing advances to help society so I for one am glad that they both exist. Oh yea, and that they are both potential employers!

dzalias · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by BlackHoleSun

I never did get the whole internet bashy thingy down, lol.

@viscous: I am aware that IBM is WAY bigger than Intel. They are a wonderful company as well, but have there fingers in many pies so to speak. Intel's main source of revenue comes from the x86 market which dominates personal computers. IBM has huge servers, crazy cloud computing, super computers, crazy research facilities and other ridiculous things going on. While Intel is shrinking the node, IBM is trying to get laser processors working. Intel works on Graphene, IBM works on changing the media that light passes through to increase it's speed.

Both companies are really making some truly amazing advances to help society so I for one am glad that they both exist. Oh yea, and that they are both potential employers!

I want to design optical microprocessors. Might be what I go to college for.

MagicBox · 2 Weeks Ago

I think all you guys heavily underestimate Global Foundries. You've gotta think of it as AMD's partially owned TSMC. It is going going to serve a lot of high profile semiconductor companies in the forseeable future. Intel is big in its own right, but that bigness pales if you add up all these other independant semiconductor giants. IBM, AMD, Samsung and even NVidia. That obviously will generate an enormous cash flow for GF to expand and get new processes to market faster. Foundries get increasingly more expensive and collaboration is the only way to keep that rolling.

r4zr · 2 Weeks Ago

IBM wants nothing more than to put Intel in its place. IBM's business has always been technology, not 'servers' or 'cloud-compute.' It's whatever new tech there is. The company has a habit of developing a tech and then selling it, to avoid complacency in their labs. Trust me, if IBM truly decides to back GF, Intel is going to have its hands full.

Let the competition begin. I'm excited. Though it won't be for some time.

Pir · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by r4zr

IBM wants nothing more than to put Intel in its place. IBM's business has always been technology, not 'servers' or 'cloud-compute.' It's whatever new tech there is. The company has a habit of developing a tech and then selling it, to avoid complacency in their labs. Trust me, if IBM truly decides to back GF, Intel is going to have its hands full.

Let the competition begin. I'm excited. Though it won't be for some time.

This. Never underestimate IBM.

Cheetos316 · 2 Weeks Ago

I think the bigger question is not if/when GF will overtake Intel in the lead. It is how GF's processes are compared to Intel's 32nm. Intel already has the lead with HKMG technology.

Plus, it's not like GF is the only one to be ahead of Intel. TSMC has had their 40nm while Intel was still on 45nm (minus the yield issues lately) and NAND flash is on 34nm now.

Lastly, Intel will still be first to fab 32nm CPUs. GF's bulk 28nm isn't even being used for CPUs. Now if GF is saying that they will get to 22nm SOI for CPUs before Intel, that would be very interesting indeed.