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Any E4300 Questions Here
Any E4300 question should be directed to this thread.
I will start the thread off with some basics. Everyone else chime in with your own experience and knowledge. As useful posts come in I will "Quote" them to this first post. And by all means if I said something in error please let me know so I can fix the mistake. With this thread maybe we can ROPE in all the other E4300 threads into one easy thread... First we will start with some reference information Core2Duo E4300 Allendale 1.81Ghz 2Mb L2 cache 800Mhz FSB 6x-9x multipliers http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115013 ***How does it Overclock?*** Chances are that you already know the answer to this. The E4300 is usually a great overclocker. As long as you understand that for the past several years a great overclock was anything 25% or above. Today with the core2duo line, 25% seems laughable. Most overclockers get a 75% increase in their clocks, while a few only get 25%. Others have achieved 100%-125% increase in clocks. To get a high overclock with the E4300, many factors should be reviewed. And remember, you can not expect your results to be the same as everyone else. The following will help to increase your chances of getting a fast relatively cheap system. ***System Options*** **Bios Settings The following is a compiled average of member's and their specs. Use this only as a loose guide to overclocking your CPU. As we all know not every CPU will clock the same. http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...00-owners.html http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...-voltages.html AGAIN THESE ARE AVERAGES *965-P chipsets Vcore 1.41v Vfsb +.1v VMCH (stock) VDIMM (can not be figured) FSB 340 Multi 9x PCIe 100mhz RAM multi 2.0 (1:1) TM2 Disabled C1E Disabled *680i 650i P5 chipsets Vcore 1.44v Vfsb (stock) VNB (stock) VDIMM (can not be figured) FSB 340 Multi 9x PCIe 100Mhz RAM multi 2.00 (1:1) TM2 Disabled C1E Disabled ***OVERCLOCKING*** If you are just starting the overclocking process, start with just the settings below... TM2 DISABLED C1E DISABLED PCIe to 100Mhz RAM 1:1 or 2x You should always keep your ram at stock timings until you have oc'ed the cpu and it is stable..Once stable then you can adjust your RAM timings and speeds... If you leave on your "protections" or set your voltages or pcie to "AUTO" you will most likely limit your oc to only 20%... ***8x MULTI*** Recently I asked 10 different people from 4 different forums, using a wide range of production weeks, to adjust their multi to 8x and lower their vcore back to stock...The results have been great... When you lower the multi to 8x the cpu needs less vcore to run...Less vcore means cooler temps.. 6 of those 10 reported that they even were able to raise the fsb up and run at the same end speed they had with the 9x multi..None of the 10 needed anymore than 1.35vcore..Most ran 1.337v.. So i ran a little test on this...To see what differences could be expected...Was i surprised.. Running 3.2Ghz either with 8x or 9x gave me near same results in benchmarks...Better than that, in some benchmarks i saw an increase in score useing the 8x multiplier... Running the 8x multi may be the best way to run the 4300's...They run with less vcore, lower temps, and usually higher fsb's...Try it and let me know your results... ***Mod-ability-*** A while back someone did some research and found that with the right motherboard the E4300 could be modded and achieve higher clocks.. The "Pin" or "BSEL" mod...If it works, it changes the "bootstrap" and allows the CPU to surpass its "FSBwall"....In one such case a 400fsb wall was hit, but after the mod 460fsb was achieved (with phase change & 1.58vcore)...Some report like results but lower clocks due to temps..  http://www.overclock.net/intel-mothe...0-biostar.html http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=134550 Attempts with Gigabyte S3 and DS3 motherboards http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...allendale.html In order to use the mod, your motherboard should be known to work with the mod. Below is a list of KNOWN working and not working motherboards with the mod. **Working Motherboards Biostar 965PT Asus -P5B- (can also use bios 0711 instead of pinmod) 945P's (some {not Gigabyte} can use older bios instead of pinmod) **Non Working Motherboards Gigabyte 965-P (S3 DS3) Most any Nvidia chipset Gigabyte 945-P **NOTE: Before attempting the mod you should reset your bios to default, and make sure your motherboard is not listed as "Not Working". If your motherboards is not listed then if you try the mod PM me your results and I will add your motherboard to the list. ***Week of production vs. overclock- As more of you post your production weeks and specs I will add them to the list.... 40A 441fsb x9 1.55vcore (pin mod) 44A 334fsb x9 1.33vcore 43A 334fsb x9 1.39vcore 41A 350fsb x9 1.35vcore 49F 356fsb x9 1.44vcore 48A 334fsb x9 1.37vcore 48A 400fsb x9 1.46vcore (400fsb x8 1.33vcore) 41A 390fsb x9 1.45vcore (pin mod) 02A 333fsb x9 1.44vcore ***THERMAL PASTE*** As posted recently, Arctic Silver tells us when using their product that the old "grain of rice" method should not be used with the C2D line. Instead they suggest a "bead line" that runs from the top of the chip to the bottom, right down the middle. This is where the core resides and good application is needed most.  ***Removing the IHS*** Removal of the IHS on the 4300 is said to help reduce overall temps..The basics are that the IHS uses thermal paste between it and the core...Removing the IHS and cleaning the core from thermal paste, re-applying thermal paste, and re-mounting your HSF without the IHS...More direct contact with between the core and the HSF should reduce temps...This should really only be done as an "end all" solution to temp issues..Tho no real harm could happen as long as you are carefull, some have been known to have a dead cpu after the attempt.. Removing the IHS is becoming more common for these cpu's.. The IHS seems to be curved, causing poor contact and even worse thermal transfer...Removing the IHS or Lapping the IHS are two good options to beat the heat.. ***A NOTE ON TAT and TEMP MONITORING*** http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...about-tat.html After all the talk of TAT and CoreTemp, T_case and T_junctions, i thought i would just see what Intel has to say about this.. I received an E-mail, and also spoke to a gentleman on the phone..Tho somethings he said went beyond my exp... What i did understand: First off Intel says if you own an INTEL mobo, you should use this link and DL their monitor system.. http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/software/idu/ This is for INTEL motherboards only. It will not work with 3rd party boards with Intel chipsets.. For the rest of us, here is what Intel says we should do.. Find a trusted 3rd party monitor (speedfan lets say)..Now go to this link from Intel http://processorfinder.intel.com/default.aspx Fill in your cpu info...Find your "THERMAL SPECIFICATION".... The temp. listed under "Thermal Spec" is you T_case max temp..So if you use SpeedFan (happens to monitor T_case) you should see accurate T_case temps...Just keep them below what Intel states is your Thermal Spec.... Probably the most important info i got from our phone call was this.. TAT was made by a 3rd party for the Pentium M's, and should NOT be trusted to read correctly for all cpu's..Even C2D's....Tho some cpu's and TAT may read correct, others cpu's may not... He gave reasons why, but honestly i can't say that i understood and therefore can't re post what reasons he gave...Something to do with the T_junction and TCC...IDK..Something about no T_junction on the C2D's i think, only a TCC that can either be an 80c or 100c TCC...like i said, he talked well above me...sorry. Bottom line is this DO NOT USE TAT....Use a reliable 3rd party software that reads T_case.. Then keep that reading below the recommended Thermal Spec. that Intel provides.. DO NOT USE a 3rd party software that reads T_junction as Intel says that still can give incorrect readings... ALSO this was said....TAT is still a good 100% load tester for stock systems...Intel said that TAT will not damage cpu's at stock, but can not say that for OC'ed systems..Damage could happen if your oc is too high and TAT runs too long at 100%.. Just for ref. If anyone owns a C2D on a Intel brand motherboard, could you download Intel's Desktop Utility Software and run it with SpeedFan to let us know if they read the same or not? Thanks.. I hope that this small guide helps some of you with questions. If you did not find your answer then this thread is made for E4300 questions of any kind, so ask away. The more we communicate the more we learn. Thanks to everyone who helped provide system specs. You all have received a +REP from me for your taking part.  Reference threads (other members with their problems) http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/189992-e4300.html http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...-my-e4300.html http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...-firestix.html http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...y-too-hot.html http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...mps-e4300.html
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nice job on it
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" 43A 333fsb x9 1. vcore " - Change to 43A 334fsb 1.37500-1.39 vcore
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.it needs more i think. But that will happen as info comes in. IDK, it may not really help anyone at all, but we shall see.
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nice, i got a pretty good week! (41a). when you say that asus motherboards can overcome the fsb barrier of 400 with bios 7011, do you have a link to it?
btw what week do you have?
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as far as what week i have, its hard to say. i wrote down the info last time i removed my waterblock. Tho i think i wrote it down wrong, Q64BA52B...after writing this guide tho, i figured that mine must have actually read Q648A52B...so the answer i think is 48A...or i missed a 1 in there and its 41B..lol...but i am sure it 48A...
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EPIC FAILURE LIST: :E.F.: Help bring laughs to OCN..#1 #2. Hello. I had an idea today to use aluminum foil as ram heat spreaders! #3. I drilled holes in my HDD to mount a fan... #4. I pooped my underwear while I was in the bathroom at school, i got scared, pulled it back on with all the poop and went back to class.[/quote]
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alright, nice.
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alot of 4300 Q & A going on...thought i would bump this thread then...
Any e4300 questions?
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I've been trying to overclock my cpu for 2 hours now and the most I've been able to get it to is 2.5 stable.
I'm using an msi p6n 650i sli board (non platinum version) and a core 2 duo e4300. the settings I used to get it up to 2.5 were: 1100 fsb 533 core clock 9x multiplier 2.2 volt ram + .1v cpu NB 1.45v SB 1.6v fsb vit 12% havnt touched the RAM timings. I'm using this ram btw: http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16820220144 Stock cooling and 600 watt xion psu. The thing is that my mobo has "holes" in the fsb. The one I know for certain is the hole between 1100 and 1200 fsb. So basically I can't set the fsb to anything between that. So can someone help me out? Last edited by super duper : 04-15-07 at 11:53 PM |
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Processor Model - Intel Core 2 Duo E4300, week 40A
CPU Clock Speed - 3.96ghz CPU Bus Speed - 441mhz CPU Multiplier Setting - X9 CPU Core Model - allendale CPU Voltage - 1.55V Motherboard - biostar 965pt Cooling - mach II gt Dividers - 1:1 validation http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=172001 [IMG]  [/IMG][IMG]  [/IMG]this is from the post i submitted to the intel stable oc thread, this was with the 266 bsel mod on my biostar, the bsel mod wouldnt work with my p5b-d but i just used the 0711 bios and it had the same effect
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